The Future of Huge Bases?

[x3tsniper]

How many of these kind of models should we be expecting in the future? Just guesswork would put them at 4 filling up a standard battlefoam. I like being able to have all my casters on hand when I go to a shop, and huge base casters may make this somewhat of a pain. Oo I like cheaper, less space consuming small based models personally. Oo

I feel sorry for legion with their gargantuan probably being the most difficult thing in the universe to transport. At least if I am remembering the wings correctly.

[jettzypher]

from what ive come to understand theres only one huge base caster coming out, unless i missed a post or two...

[ArmageddonSky]

Its just a matter of time. There used to be only one cavalry caster too.

[Indy]

You KNOW that Rasheth2 is going to be on a huge base...

[MagnustheJust]

Personally I feel that the huge bases, and any future bases exceeding 50mm, are not going to be good for this game in the long run...

I mean, there are so many untraveled avenues that can be both explored as well as exploited!!

These are just a few ideas off the top of my dented & demented brainpan...
- recovery warjacks, for battlefield retrieval of inert or destroyed warjacks.
- combat medics, both solos and triage units
- counter magic support solos


... there were a few others, but my roommate distracted me with questions of dinner.

[Greggle]

Huge based Kharchev seems inevitable a well, but I can't imagine who else would go huge based.

[Lanz]

If there's one thing I've learned over my years playing WM/H, it's that trying to predict the future of anything in WM/H is an exercise in futility. A tiny fraction of people will get lucky and guess something right, but the majority of the time PP will blindside people with the cool new things they come up with.

If there's another thing I've learned over these years, it's that players are awful at predicting the balance or the success of new releases.

At the end of the day, PP hasn't disappointed me after all these years, and this is just another new model type in the long list of This-will-break-the-game releases that people will cower in fear over until the next book comes out with something else for people to be afraid of while they casually accept the previous cycle's 'scary new releases' as having ended up being perfectly fine for the game.

So what's my prediction of the future of huge bases?

They'll be fun. Albeit a bit harder to transport. Getting my converted two-inches-taller-than-normal-with-tentacles-sticking-out-all-over Throne of Everblight from place to place is giving me plenty of practice, though.

[Crate123]

If there's one thing I've learned over my years playing WM/H, it's that trying to predict the future of anything in WM/H is an exercise in futility. A tiny fraction of people will get lucky and guess something right, but the majority of the time PP will blindside people with the cool new things they come up with.

If there's another thing I've learned over these years, it's that players are awful at predicting the balance or the success of new releases.

I think we are getting better at it, I know the people I play with were almost spot on with the Wrath releases, Lightning Strider did surprise some of us but pretty much everything else has been really close.

At the end of the day, PP hasn't disappointed me after all these years, and this is just another new model type in the long list of This-will-break-the-game releases that people will cower in fear over until the next book comes out with something else for people to be afraid of while they casually accept the previous cycle's 'scary new releases' as having ended up being perfectly fine for the game.

Gotta remember that many people who cry doom and gloom remember MKI and cavalry and epic casters, PP hasnt shown themselves to be without flaws.

So what's my prediction of the future of huge bases?

They'll be fun. Albeit a bit harder to transport. Getting my converted two-inches-taller-than-normal-with-tentacles-sticking-out-all-over Throne of Everblight from place to place is giving me plenty of practice, though.

Getting my own throne soon, trying to design a battlefoam tray for it, its a mess

[Gamer Prime]

Huge based Kharchev seems inevitable a well, but I can't imagine who else would go huge based.

I could see Thagrosh going 120mm if he gets another Athanc and goes more Dragon like.

[Ivellis]

I still want to see a man sized character on a huge base to represent his presence on the battlefield, you get with in that distance of him he is going to be in front of you ready to cut you to ribbons. Causes problems LOS and such though.

[PG_Kaptajn Congoboy]

You KNOW that Rasheth2 is going to be on a huge base...

His next incarnation will have him frolicking in a huge bathtub, water being the only medium that allows him to move comfortably. Carried by Titans. With buxom Troll nurses cleaning his huge folds of flesh.

You heard it here first.

[Choco]

I still want to see a man sized character on a huge base to represent his presence on the battlefield, you get with in that distance of him he is going to be in front of you ready to cut you to ribbons. Causes problems LOS and such though.

Vintor? I think he would fit the bill.

[The Horror]

Huge based Kharchev seems inevitable a well, but I can't imagine who else would go huge based.

Thags getting another Anthac or the ever growing Terminus are other contenders, but who knows who else might go huge. I'm sure nobody was ever expecting the first huge caster to be someone like Lylyth, so that just shows anybody could go huge in the future.

[PG_ratch]

Huge based Kharchev seems inevitable a well, but I can't imagine who else would go huge based.

I am with this guy on that note. He did just get ripped from his carapace by Denny. So i forsee eKarchev getting a bigger body to house him. that or he spends some time in a modified MoW =]

[Lanz]

I am with this guy on that note. He did just get ripped from his carapace by Denny. So i forsee eKarchev getting a bigger body to house him. that or he spends some time in a modified MoW =]

Nah. Clearly he'll get a pair of tiny legs and a small furnace strapped to the back and he'll be Khador's version of the Squire.

[DrakkenBlut]

For practical, mass production-related reasons PP seems to be stuck at "one per faction, per release cycle" schedule. Until that improves, and I hope it will, we may not see more of those.

I think epic character warbeasts could get released as gargantuans - Typhon, being essentially a dragon, rearranges his body, maybe sprouts a few more heads. Mulg is already too big for 50mm, I do see him trying to be a MK equal, eating to grow, juggling cabers, embedding krielstones on his back mountain and whatnot. Megalith is made of living material, so can grow. Molik Karn adopts his version of the Hoksune and rides an Animantarax.

Transport shouldn't be that much of an issue. The other game with big plastic sets should be proof of that.

[The Happy Anarchist]

I still want to see a man sized character on a huge base to represent his presence on the battlefield, you get with in that distance of him he is going to be in front of you ready to cut you to ribbons. Causes problems LOS and such though.

Anyone see any reason you couldn't use the Man Sized rule? It is kind of an interesting idea. The base would need to have some seriously sweet modeling to justify it though. A single man on a big empty base would be lame.

[kolonelk]

Nah. Clearly he'll get a pair of tiny legs and a small furnace strapped to the back and he'll be Khador's version of the Squire.

I'll admit it, I LOLed. Drew some strange looks from everyone else on the train too...

[PG_Alviaran]

His next incarnation will have him frolicking in a huge bathtub, water being the only medium that allows him to move comfortably. Carried by Titans. With buxom Troll nurses cleaning his huge folds of flesh.

You heard it here first.

Hm. I was gonna' go with a Stage 3 Guild Navigator. >.>

Personally, I want Krueger with some kind of dragonspawn, a reaction to his meeting with Blighterghast.

[PG_Alviaran]

Anyone see any reason you couldn't use the Man Sized rule? It is kind of an interesting idea. The base would need to have some seriously sweet modeling to justify it though. A single man on a big empty base would be lame.

Butcher3. It's just a REALLY big pile of bodies. And no one wants to go near either the pile of corpses or the crazed madman who killed them. Also, no Man Sized rule since the pile is so huge he would qualify as a Huge base as per normal.

[Wishing]

Molik Karn adopts his version of the Hoksune and rides an Animantarax.

That would be fantastic. A heavy warbeast riding a battle engine.

[x3tsniper]

I don't have a problem with huge bases, besides them being huge.. I dislike that. I feel like we are probably going to get the next warmachine huge base in khador with Karchev, but I have some dreams of him being MoW style.

[mactac]

In the last NQ they mentioned in the Vyre section about them having a colossal and putting a ton of their stuff into hiding.
I think well be seeing more of the colossals in the future.

[Bohrdog]

I think we will see Karchev go uber jack and be a huge bass ........but for Cryx :P and he will go back to Khador but stuck in the Cryx machine.

I think Cryx will see a huge base caster with E Terminus and he will go take Asphyxious down a peg or two.

[MetaphoricDragon]

I am with this guy on that note. He did just get ripped from his carapace by Denny. So i forsee eKarchev getting a bigger body to house him. that or he spends some time in a modified MoW =]

Nah, next version of Karchev is going to be him floating in a bacta tank in just a diaper, ala Luke in Empire Strikes Back

[Gothgar]

There is no way they'll make a colossal warcaster... How could that ever be balanced?

Karchev with 20 arm and 60 boxes of health? He would have to be negative WJ points or something... -10 probably to balance it at least a little.

[portedGoblin]

Karchev the epicly Terrible. Cryx can keep him imo

[Karnstein]

So what's my prediction of the future of huge bases?

They'll be fun. Albeit a bit harder to transport. Getting my converted two-inches-taller-than-normal-with-tentacles-sticking-out-all-over Throne of Everblight from place to place is giving me plenty of practice, though.

I agree and I can't wait for the moment when I try to fit my eThag conversion with LotR Balrog wings, a throne and the upcoming Archangel into my case. People will drop their jaws, when I pull all three out of my Feldherr rucksack and put them on the table.

The only model I'm a little bit concerned about is eeLylyth, but I have faith in PP....

[quindraco]

There is no way they'll make a colossal warcaster... How could that ever be balanced?

Karchev with 20 arm and 60 boxes of health? He would have to be negative WJ points or something... -10 probably to balance it at least a little.

He could be +10 warjack points with ARM 20 and 60 boxes, and I still wouldn't take him if his feat, spells, and other stats were sufficiently bad - particularly since a huge-based warcaster is at a tremendous disadvantage starting with predeployment and ending with the enemy having LOS on them for the entire game. There's a lot more to a warcaster than ARM and box count.

[Kej]

Next year sometime we will see a 21' pizza tray sized base. Word is the new gobber mechanic are getting a base size increase :P

[Strangelove]

Is there any way I could get Siege2 on a 120mm base that is effectively a giant fortified artillery battery?

[BloatThrall]

We must be getting a second battle engine at some point.

[PG_Agamemnon]

I look forward to more 120mm bases. They are big but they bring something to the table that current sized models do not in the way of game play. I like the new rather than rehashing of the old. The idea of 120mm artillary encampments is kinda cool. Casters are a really neat idea as well. I am interested to see how they play out.

[Lich_Lord_X]

Huge based Kharchev seems inevitable a well, but I can't imagine who else would go huge based.

Thagrosh probably but then again who would have guessed that Lylyth would be the first such warlock.

[PG_cheddercaveman]

The only thing I don't like about the Huge bases is how the hell do we transport this? After this next cycle most factions will have access to a battle engine that is FA: 2 and a colossal/gargantuan that's FA: 2. From what I've seen on average each needs about 5.5" of foam w/ a half-tray from Battle Foam. So now if I'd need/want the full FA between my 2-3 lists I'd be taking up 11" of foam out of I think 13" or 14" of foam space.

[Joasht]

At the end of the day, PP hasn't disappointed me after all these years, and this is just another new model type in the long list of This-will-break-the-game releases that people will cower in fear over until the next book comes out with something else for people to be afraid of while they casually accept the previous cycle's 'scary new releases' as having ended up being perfectly fine for the game.

To be honest, I remember the imbalance of Mk.I, and how it drove me away from the game for the years in between Superiority and Mk.II. Heck, I was even getting cold during Apotheosis, when eVlad came out; even though I myself was a Khador player.

While I'm glad PP did a massive overhaul of the game to fix that screwup, it shows that they are still human, and can make miscalculations. I was terrified that Mk.II would end up like the later bit of Mk.I, but so far, its so good; but then again, they haven't exactly released as many models....and certainly not four warcasters in a single book. Only time will tell.

I also heard that imbalances killed Monpoc, which for all intents and purposes, was a fairly recent one. I'm uncertain about this though, its all just hearsay.

[MagnustheJust]

The only thing I don't like about the Huge bases is how the hell do we transport this? After this next cycle most factions will have access to a battle engine that is FA: 2 and a colossal/gargantuan that's FA: 2. From what I've seen on average each needs about 5.5" of foam w/ a half-tray from Battle Foam. So now if I'd need/want the full FA between my 2-3 lists I'd be taking up 11" of foam out of I think 13" or 14" of foam space.

This is one of the reasons I do not want any gargossal engines...

[SportsComedian]

Huge based Kharchev seems inevitable a well, but I can't imagine who else would go huge based.

Karchev in a colossal...drool...

[Crate123]

This is one of the reasons I do not want any gargossal engines...

Gargossal engines, what size base are they on ? 12" or something ?

[notsoevil]

Next won't be more 120mm. I expect the "in-between" bases to come. Say, 80mm. A medium base less than Huge, a medium base more than medium. A small base more than large. Incremental and within base size standards.

Maybe Trollbloods will get another huge, "used to be sleeping" troll, that Mulg outshines.

I don't care. Gimme more sculpts like The Mountain King and I'm happy.