Yet Another Predicament against Circle..

[FlippyDoo]

Kromac is by far one of the most competitive casters for Circle, considering Warpath and Wild Aggression together is just insane. However Bestial is what gets me.. How do you get around that? pDeneghra just seems to sit there because he casts it every turn and that shuts down her assassination so I tried eSkarre and she didnt do much either, I tried staying out of his control area to channel and cast spells but still he would have Stalker hide in a cloud with Prowl and his Bloodtrackers had . This is by far my worst match up yet and am just incredibly lost.

[Bronze]

Dont know. Never really lost to Kromac for some reason (i mean i probably have but ya know its usually the other direction). Its annoying but as you mentioned, playing back enough from him is usually good enough. And if you can keep yourself safe from that warpath assassination your usually good. Thats typically the main and only goal that they are looking for and spend a decent amount of fury each turn trying to make it happen.

[Kommissar Golovko]

Try Venethrax with Lamentation up. Then catch him in your control area. If he wants to spend 6 Fury to cast it every turn, fine by me. Otherwise, just use Dragonslayer and camp focus and just go for his beasts.

[Kommissar Golovko]

Double post

[The Horror]

Terminus and Venethrax, you only ever need to cast spells on the first turn. On top of that at full camp only circle's heavy beasts are going to be able to kill you.

[Lambstar]

Kromac vs. Cryx is a very matchup-based caster. If you're playing a caster that's reliant on offensive spellcasting (both Dennys, Scaverous, pGaspy), it's going to be difficult. However, he has no special advantage against our buff casters, especially when those casters tend to be our best vs. Hordes anyway. pSkarre, Mortenebra, Venethrax and Terminus can all easily get around Beastial, leaving only his upkeep spells and so-so feat to deal with (like pGaspy's, but instead of POW 5 hits you take 7 wounds instead. And beast out, but he's not terrible even then). If you must use a spellcaster, go for a non-spell assassination run. With his upkeep spells and Beastial running, he only has 1 FURY to spare. His (non-beast) defensive stats are lackluster and his medium base makes him very vulnerable in a faction where medium-based infantry generally aren't heavily used. Hope this helps!

[Lamoron]

Terminus also does well enough by "not dying", just keep Darragh Wrathe tucked safely behind him with Beyond Death up every turn.

[Drzombieface]

pGaspy, Venethrax, and eGoreshade are my current answers to Circle.

Venethrax just Honey Badgers all game.
pGaspy hits them so many times that they can't transfer enough.
eGoreshade overwhelms them with bodies upon bodies upon bodies. (And Phantom Hunter deals with all those pesky trees.)


Terminus is extremely easy to deal with for a smart Circle player. Pick off his Guard unit to clear charge lanes, throw a heavy at him, GG, profit.

[Lamoron]

Terminus is extremely easy to deal with for a smart Circle player. Pick off his Guard unit to clear charge lanes, throw a heavy at him, GG, profit.

You've been playing against Terminus with Mechanithralls and no heavies again haven't you

It's harder to "Pick off" a full unit of Bane Thralls and two heavies. Then you have to get through what amounts to ARM 26 which is a wee bit harder than you make it out to be, and then there's always Tough to screw you over. I'm not saying it can't be done but "extremely easy" it most certainly is not.

[Baaltharus]

Terminus is extremely easy to deal with for a smart Circle player. Pick off his Guard unit to clear charge lanes, throw a heavy at him, GG, profit.

Maybe if the Terminus player is a fool. Even with just infantry, you deploy Bane Thralls in depth to prevent most shooting and magic (perhaps in addition, the WSC if the need is there). With Darragh Wrathe present, even if the circle heavies gets to you with primal, there is no guarantee it'll down Terminus. A few souls from the feat and you can shrug off the craziest of warp wolfs.

[Scottl1]

Hhmm I personally like mcthralls and blood gorgers since they(bg) can't be trampled when protecting Terminus. Bane knights too since they're tough when by him and have reach so likely to get free strikes if they try tramples or charges. Only ting for the infantry would be vs mohsar's crevace(sp)? That spell is rough vs infantry spam.

[blakeh1]

Kromac is by far one of the most competitive casters for Circle, considering Warpath and Wild Aggression together is just insane. However Bestial is what gets me.. How do you get around that?

If you really want to sling spells in his control area, you may not like the answer, but it is simple. A Corruptor

The Psycho Venom meat node option provides a loophole. Bestial specifically states enemy models cannot be used to channel spells. The model you kill to turn into an arc node is not considered an enemy model so you can still arc through it.

As mentioned ealrier, if he's upkept Wild Aggression, cast Bestial and Warpath, he's only sitting on 1 FURY for transferring at that point (unless he pops his feat) which leaves him vulnerable. Then shoot him with a pair of Pistol Wraiths and/or a Leviathan on Deneghras feat turn.

The biggest challenge I find against Kromac is not really Bestial, but dealing with a Warpwolf Stalker and Ghetorix and warpath who then can also take advantage of sprint.

As for Bloodtrackers, they hate dealing with things Blackbane's and Pistol Wraiths. They lack magic weapons and cannot damage them while they remain Incorporeal. Run them up to engage them forcing them to choose risking a free strike if they want to move, or staying where they are at and hoping they don't die when you attack them next turn.

[Kuwanger23]

Circle is a faction that is known for not being able to hit hard. They struggle against high arm. We as a faction generally don't have high arm. If you take Terminus his only real option is to try to double teleport the stalker in your face, warp for strength and have primal up. Even then he is a P+S 20 at dice -6 with 5 attacks. so what is that 5 damage? Or maybe you don't have Wrathe around or he died or whatever. Ok so he is doing 3 damage times 5 attacks. Still not enough to bring you down. And he has nothing else that can kill you in that entire list I assure you. Circle is good but very stale when it comes to list building.

[Gamingdevil]

The model you kill to turn into an arc node is not considered an enemy model so you can still arc through it.

This is incorrect. When you take control of an enemy model it temporarily becomes friendly to you and enemy to your opponent.

If your opponent takes control of one of your models or units during play, it becomes an enemy model or unit for as long as it is under your opponent’s control. If you take control of one of your opponent’s models or units, it is friendly for as long as it is under your control.

[anewbre]

Venethrax and Malice are my answers to hordes. Sure, I can't possess a warbeast with Malice's soul, but dragging that sprinted warp wolf back for a big hug from Venethrax just spreads the love (and fury) on my side of the table.

[blakeh1]

This is incorrect. When you take control of an enemy model it temporarily becomes friendly to you and enemy to your opponent.

No it is correct. Jason Sole himself cleared this up some time back in a thread when the Corruptor was first spoiled. I am 100% sure about that.

"For the rest of the turn, this model's controlling warcaster can channel spells through the enemy model as if it were a model in his battlegroup with the Arc Node ability"

The meat node NEVER is considered a friendly model however and you cannot activate it. You only treat it as if it was an arc node in your battlegroup, but not as a model you control, thus the rules for prime do not apply. If it was then you couldn't arc through it because its buddies in its unit or near it could then engage it preventing you from using it. Likewise, it is also the reason why you can't use it as a melee option, becuase your own Corruptor would be considered engaging it.


found the original post, here is the link http://privateerpressforums.com/show...ll=1#post82165

It does not become a friendly model. It is still a enemy model controlled by your opponent. It is just considered to be a part of your caster's battlegroup with regards to channeling.

Your melee attacks can tie it up but you do not have to worry about your opponent's melee ranges. This is not the best choice for the Corruptor's melee attack unless you have something else lined up.

[Drzombieface]

Venethrax and Malice are my answers to hordes. Sure, I can't possess a warbeast with Malice's soul, but dragging that sprinted warp wolf back for a big hug from Venethrax just spreads the love (and fury) on my side of the table.

Uh... Just use a Reaper? 2 points less, does the exact same thing against hordes.

And /inb4focusefficiency, Iron Lich Overseer, good sir. Two turns of Darkfire is a fully boosted Harpoon. And using the ILO's Marshal pseudo- focus grants him a boost wherever he wants on his melee attack from Drag. And other things with Soul Matrix... point is, Reapers are silly with the ILO.

[Drzombieface]

Maybe if the Terminus player is a fool. Even with just infantry, you deploy Bane Thralls in depth to prevent most shooting and magic (perhaps in addition, the WSC if the need is there). With Darragh Wrathe present, even if the circle heavies gets to you with primal, there is no guarantee it'll down Terminus. A few souls from the feat and you can shrug off the craziest of warp wolfs.

The last time I trusted Terminus' ARM 26 to survive Circle, I was rewarded with 2 Stalkers in a pBaldur list being thrown into Terminus' face. Literally. Thrown. Termy was knocked down, and had 8 P+S 22(cycled Stone Skin and Primal castings) attacks dropped on his face.

Never underestimate a good Circle player. Ever.

You can underestimate a bad one, there's a lot of them. Circle is a hard faction to play. But against someone who's life- blood is playing Circle? No.

[Kuwanger23]

How often are you going to see two stalkers and a gorax in a baldur list?

[FlippyDoo]

Wow this was a lot of help, I knew Venethrax would be mentioned haha. Probably going to be my next caster. How do you guys think eSkarre would do?

[ZombieWar]

eskarre is money against anyone.

[Deo85]

eSkarre has a amazing feat that can be played defensively or offensively and comes with a great tool box spell list... There is a reason why shes considered one of our top casters.

Also for the corrupter bit does not matter when your meat node is facing the wrong way. If they made the node become a 360 degree arc node that can not suffer the in melee arcing problem then this model would be awesome.

[Bronze]

And Phantom Hunter deals with all those pesky trees

Do note that Phantom Hunter will not resolve 'stealth' issues from barknodes if that is indeed what you are referring to.

[Sanctjud]

How often are you going to see two stalkers and a gorax in a baldur list?

I hear epic Balds has the love for the furries...

[Kuwanger23]

Yeah eBaldur can be a pain if you hit the occasional and rare "good" circle player. I am glad my friend and I are the only two in the area and he sold his circle lol.