The Kraken!

[PG_Tionas]

I'm actually surprised there isn't more discussion on the Kraken. Its not really taken the top seat in the minds of Cryx players!

I'm looking for some good pairings, and I've been playing other factions for such a while I don't remember all things. I played him last night with Scaverous: Death ward WOULD have been awesome, had I put it there. The thing ate two Big Gun shots, as well as a fully loaded stormclad with Lightning Shroud. Now, he was in assult range of some stormblade, and could have taken more, but he was right there, still standing at the end!

What Casters are going to make him shine? What mercs are a sure bet with him? are you going to take two necrotechs with him, or just one?

Lets get some juices flowing as I paint this thing, so that I've got some thought processes to go by!

[Swatcoolice]

I have one im picking up soon but my only big concerns is the low Mat and Rat. Ideally im thinking id like to try her with PDenny just cause he doesn't NEED focus but would be nice to have any spare and crip grasp should let her hit and make a mess.

Pskarre as well? 3 Dice to hit makes me excited and if she rolls high on her Sac she could give him a few to play with.

Not entirerly sure who else i will be taking her with but i think she sounds like a ton of fun but as im still a huge noob itll take me a while to build proper list's for it :P

[Deo85]

There is actually several threads about this guy:

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...ghlight=Kraken
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...ghlight=Kraken
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...ghlight=Kraken
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...ghlight=Kraken
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...ghlight=Kraken

Here is the detail on the Kraken ppl seem to have mused quit a bit about this.

[elplagUe]

eDenny is actually rather rude with him. Hellmouth on some stuff to pull heavies into btb, mark for death and you've got a real beatstick. Secondly, the Kraken can engage heavy targets at 3" out (avatar?) with reach and denny can feat, totally negating their ability to strike back.

My 3rd game with the Kraken involved charging the Avatar and dishing out quite a bit of damage, before feating and locking it's POW/STR 21 sword away from the Kraken.

Seems custom built for her, but that's just my opinion.

[theHman]

The first tourny I'm allowed to use the Kraken in, I'm totally taking the following:

pDenny
Ragman
Kraken
and whatever else to fill in the pts.

Thanks to that combo, with Denny's feat up and parasite on the enemy target, and assuming 3 corpse tokens on the kraken, she'll be hitting at effective PS 28!

[PG_Tionas]

Deo!

man my search fu must be terrible. Though, really, i was looking for a more consolidated thought process, they would have helped me kinda bodge thoughts together.

[Barrynstein]

Well I think for sure if and when I get one (main reason being point size of games played locally and cost of model in points make it hard to fit in some lists) I will be using it with pSkarre as the only heavy she takes. The huge base Plus the 4 inch reach means that you only just barely need to be in Skarre control and you can hit models from 9 inches away and get the boost to damage on feat and three dice to hit with DG. I already usually take a levi and a Harrower with Skarre, so I'd just replace both fo those models with this one and the rest of the list would mostly stay the same. Extra great is that the Kraken is a amphibious model so it fits her theme force as well if one were to desire it.
Terminus' as well and also a a possible good target as it has it's own focus generator despite the models being RFP that is only three models a turn at most that can be RFP so not too much Skornergy there. Nice heavy hitter that can bring some much needed range threats to Termy's game.

[Deo85]

the advance search feature is your friend

From what I read so fare the following casters seem to be noted as worthy Kraken casters:
Coven / both Dennys / pSkarre

Rly the model offers you a way to dish out damage to infantry which is not something we have a hard time doing through having guns is rather new wave thing for us sense the jacks that do have guns have horrible rat in our faction

[lolololage]

What about morty?

Terminal velocity for increased threat, its pretty nice at triggering overrun for your other stuff, spectral steel (!!!) and -1 point.

The only downside is that he fights for a spot with DJ, because they are both so expecsive.

[tiger8380]

Morty:

its only helljacks that get the -1 if I am not mistaken, since I don't think he is a helljack I don't think he will get it. Beyond that I think he will be pretty nice with her but she tends to prefer having 2 jacks over one kraken, at least I think so. Now that won't stop me from running a kraken with her by any means but I don't think it will be as good as other things.

I think that Eskarre will be pretty nice with this thing. Black spot and death ward are awesome for this guy. Take another jack for her other jack spells and that's a nasty combo I think. I want to try this list personally:

Eskarre:
-skarlock (-2)
-Kraken (-19)
-DJ (-12)

Then other stuff to fill in whatever points are left. With what I have currently there you will be at 27 points. Take some mcthralls to fill in the gaps or something. You could even drop the skarlock and get this:

Eskarre:
-Kraken (-19)
-DJ (-12)

10x mcthralls
-1x brute
necrosurgeon team

This has lots of nasty tricks for movement with DJ and lots of power for the Kraken to use. Her feat is awesome at keeping him safe (even though you can't use it directly on him) and could easily give him basically 2 turns of beating on the enemy before they could really do anything about it. At least that's what I think personally.

[Snarkie]

Add Wrathe with eSkarre and you have the Kraken at effective ARM 23 against living models. That's a tough nut to crack!

[ShaunZ45]

Where are people getting all the Kraken(s)? I saw one for sale for 200.00 and the person that was selling it can kiss my arse.

[Sanctjud]

Add Wrathe with eSkarre and you have the Kraken at effective ARM 23 against living models. That's a tough nut to crack!

I have seen this reference to Wrathe. I just wanted to be crytal clear,Beyong death has a range limit.
Anyway, carry on.

I want to try the Kraken with eShade on Vassal, but Diablo 3 has put the sstop on all my warmahordesing... :-(

[Snarkie]

I have seen this reference to Wrathe. I just wanted to be crytal clear,Beyong death has a range limit.
Anyway, carry on.

I want to try the Kraken with eShade on Vassal, but Diablo 3 has put the sstop on all my warmahordesing... :-(

Very true. You can position him behind it and still have ~4 " of range on Beyond death. I think this is sufficient as most of the living models that can put a hurting on it will be doing so in melee.

[usbprime]

Where are people getting all the Kraken(s)? I saw one for sale for 200.00 and the person that was selling it can kiss my arse.

They were prereleased at lock and load......I got mine, and will be playing mine on sunday.

[ShaunZ45]

^^^^^^ That's why there isn't more discussion on the Kraken ...... we don't all live in Oregon

[Demeritus]

eDenny is actually rather rude with him. Hellmouth on some stuff to pull heavies into btb, mark for death and you've got a real beatstick. Secondly, the Kraken can engage heavy targets at 3" out (avatar?) with reach and denny can feat, totally negating their ability to strike back.

My 3rd game with the Kraken involved charging the Avatar and dishing out quite a bit of damage, before feating and locking it's POW/STR 21 sword away from the Kraken.

Seems custom built for her, but that's just my opinion.

That was in a 3v3 if I recall, and then the Kracken ate the Harbinger later too.....

[Adurot]

^^^^^^ That's why there isn't more discussion on the Kraken ...... we don't all live in Oregon

I live in Iowa and I've got one. Course now I'm Sepher's "female dog"...

[Kuwanger23]

I will patiently wait to purchase BOTH of mine. August will come soon enough. I will save until then.

[Mad_Zerker]

I still havent seen all the rules on it yet, but my question is... How is the Kraken surviving on the table at 5 spd and 18 armor against weapon masters? As far as I know we dont have covering fire, correct?

[usbprime]

^^^^^^ That's why there isn't more discussion on the Kraken ...... we don't all live in Oregon

Yeah.......I don't live in oregon.......I'm about 1500 km (roughly 1000 miles) from seattle, and I still made it out. Hell, there were people from australia and europe there........so, not living in oregon means nothing.

And I think the kraken will run good with gaspy3. Mobility will be useful. As far as protecting it? We're cryx........throw some meat in front of it. Bane knights, or mcthralls will work fine. Think that a huge base can attack over the small, so you keep knights 2" back and charge your kraken just behind them. Also, the 4" reach is only during activation, so if you clear out at least 2", then he is no longer engaged with models and you can shoot, cast spells without penalty. Both dennys, skarres, morty, and the coven should have fun with this guy.

[2LiveIs2Die]

[PG_Tionas]

I still havent seen all the rules on it yet, but my question is... How is the Kraken surviving on the table at 5 spd and 18 armor against weapon masters? As far as I know we dont have covering fire, correct?

Fortunately, its rather easy to protect, and its speed 5 is a boon. At pow 13 (banes!) weapon masters are doing dice -6. four dice brings that to 7 or 8 damage. you'd need 8+ weapon masters to get the charge in to kill it.
These things are paragons of durability, giant mountains of metal and death that nearly can't be taken down in a turn. with its speed 5, you're almost forced to keep it in the back, dropping templates and rapid-fire bullets into the front of the enemy lines, and then when the time comes, you toss him in there to get delicious Corpse tokens.

I got mine from Lock and Load as well. I just needed to plan ahead to have enough money to make it out there. It was really, really cool.

[Sanctjud]

I still havent seen all the rules on it yet, but my question is... How is the Kraken surviving on the table at 5 spd and 18 armor against weapon masters? As far as I know we dont have covering fire, correct?

1. Staying out of threat range.
2. Infantry Screening.
3. Using terrain to restrict space.
4. eGaspy/pGaspy caustic mist/breath of corrosion to deny space to 1 wound.
5. Defensive feats (pSkarre, Coven, eSkarre)
6. Defensive spells (Deathward)

At the very least of course.

[ShaunZ45]

Yeah.......I don't live in oregon.......I'm about 1500 km (roughly 1000 miles) from seattle, and I still made it out. Hell, there were people from australia and europe there........so, not living in oregon means nothing.

And I think the kraken will run good with gaspy3. Mobility will be useful. As far as protecting it? We're cryx........throw some meat in front of it. Bane knights, or mcthralls will work fine. Think that a huge base can attack over the small, so you keep knights 2" back and charge your kraken just behind them. Also, the 4" reach is only during activation, so if you clear out at least 2", then he is no longer engaged with models and you can shoot, cast spells without penalty. Both dennys, skarres, morty, and the coven should have fun with this guy.

Uh yes, it means that there isn't more discussion on it because not everyone is going to travel to Oregon to be "first". So how exactly does the fact that some people traveled a great distance to be "first" mean that we all should have? Congratulations on making your epic journey as well .... the bards will sing your name for many ages.

[usbprime]

Uh yes, it means that there isn't more discussion on it because not everyone is going to travel to Oregon to be "first". So how exactly does the fact that some people traveled a great distance to be "first" mean that we all should have? Congratulations on making your epic journey as well .... the bards will sing your name for many ages.

Again......i'm not quite sure what you're trying to get at.......and besides, lock and load wasn't in oregon.......it was in seattle. So, i'm unclear why you feel the need to come in here and post like a ******. For those that made it out to seattle, it was definitely a great time........getting the pre-release models was just icing to the great cake that was the Con. If you couldn't make it out, i'm sorry to hear that, next year you should try, as it was a great time.

[ShaunZ45]

Uhhh because I said not all of us were there, hence why there is not more discussion. Not sure why you stuck your nose in it

[Sanctjud]

MOAR KRAKEN, LESS SMALL TALK :-/

example:

I'm thinking eSkarre theme list... only reaches tier 3 sadly, missing a single jack. :-(

eSkarre
-Kraken
-Reaper
10 Raiders UA
10 Raiders UA
10 BloodWitches UA
Captain
Captain
50/50

Stealth for all girls round 1.
Reaper is there just to have the option of Perdition usage, but obviously the Kraken is the center of attention.

I suppose I can shave points in various places to get enough for a slayer to make it to tier 4, but it's pretty meh at that point.

[Scottl1]

Too bad he wasn't a helljack since then he'd help qualify for tier 4 Terminus. lol

[Sheer_Falacy]

Too bad he wasn't a helljack since then he'd help qualify for tier 4 Terminus. lol

How quickly would you expect it to get 3 corpses, since before then Terminus doesn't like it much?

[Scottl1]

How quickly would you expect it to get 3 corpses, since before then Terminus doesn't like it much?

I like it since you can't see T behind it lol The whole reason you run infantry is just to get him to the caster lol I'd say the kraken could do that just as well just by being on the board and in the way. As to it getting corpses it has a 12 in threat range that doesn't take souls.. Seems legit for T.

[Snarkie]

I like it since you can't see T behind it lol The whole reason you run infantry is just to get him to the caster lol I'd say the kraken could do that just as well just by being on the board and in the way. As to it getting corpses it has a 12 in threat range that doesn't take souls.. Seems legit for T.

It doesnt get souls, but the main issue Is that it rfp models before they can generate a soul when it has less than 3 corpse tokens on it

[Scottl1]

So have it charge and kill a few mcthralls to fill it up. lol I mean 30 of those dudes can be around for 15 pts lol

[Snarkie]

So have it charge and kill a few mcthralls to fill it up. lol I mean 30 of those dudes can be around for 15 pts lol

Wish you could, but it's enemy models only.

[Scottl1]

Wish you could, but it's enemy models only.

Ah I haven't had a chance to read the book. Oh well still doesnt seem that hard for one sweep to kill 3 opponents.

[Sheer_Falacy]

Ah I haven't had a chance to read the book. Oh well still doesnt seem that hard for one sweep to kill 3 opponents.

Sweep doesn't get the 4 inch reach, and with terminus Sweep is just a 7'' threat range.

Actually, Terminus with Kraken vs undead Cryx would be interesting - you don't get souls, you don't get corpses, but you DO get ravager. That's a lot of dead enemies, and you can charge instead of needing to walk.

[Scottl1]

Sweep doesn't get the 4 inch reach, and with terminus Sweep is just a 7'' threat range.

Actually, Terminus with Kraken vs undead Cryx would be interesting - you don't get souls, you don't get corpses, but you DO get ravager. That's a lot of dead enemies, and you can charge instead of needing to walk.

Why do you have to have a 4 in reach to kill something? Even with 2 inches I'm sure you could kill a few. Or just use that 4 in reach with regular attacks.

[Snarkie]

Sweep doesn't get the 4 inch reach, and with terminus Sweep is just a 7'' threat range.

Actually, Terminus with Kraken vs undead Cryx would be interesting - you don't get souls, you don't get corpses, but you DO get ravager. That's a lot of dead enemies, and you can charge instead of needing to walk.

I'm actually pretty sure you do get 4". This came up in
Our lgs the other week and after looking at the colossal rules and the card it was unanimously determined that you do based on the wording. I'd still like this to be confirmed by an infernal though as we could be wrong.

[DialFforFunky]

I'm surprised people are so 'meh' on combining the Kraken wit Mortenebra. There are so many nice little ways in which they interact. The Kraken seem like a decent target for Spectral Steel, and the added durability allows Morty (quite possibly aided by a Necrotech) to patch it back up. Interface allows the Kraken to make the most out of the 4" reach. Terminal Velocity gives sweep attacks the rerolls it needs as well as the extra speed. The Kraken is a very decent Overrun-triggerer. The feat, though it makes anything scary, is certainly not wasted on the Kraken either. Granted, not all of these things can easily be taken advantage of at the same time, but that also means that the ways in which Mortenebra and the Kraken interact are versatile, allowing a greater adaptability to different situations.


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[Sanctjud]

Issue with Morti I feel is that she is generally about having things to take advantedge of overrun, while the Kraken is cool it is expensive...when a cheaper Leviathan can do the same.
Yes you get what you pay for, a versitile platform, but I don't think Morti considers it a need basis.