HOLY CRAP HARDCORE! - Speeding Up Your Turns

[Tol]

I'm a Rahn guy, I have played a game with Ossyan maybe once or twice but as I look into more competetive play, doing tournaments and whatnot, I find myself wanting to play at conventions and whatnot. I'm going to one in Austin and the Hardcore rules have the turns down to SEVEN minutes. Seven?! I can't even thank the guy for coming, volunteering his models to die horribly to some elven vengeance. How am I supposed to activate and run a fairly infantry heavy list as Retribution is typically run?

How the hell do you build a list for Hardcore using Retribution? Mangled Metal and a couple of MHAs? Worse of all it's at 50 points too!

How do you supply that many Warjacks with Focus?!

So I'm creating this thread as a cry for help to those who have competed in a Hardcore event for some feedback on what kind of list you'd want to run, and whether or not it's feasible for Retribution to run in Hardcore competitively.

Thoughts?

[joelker41]

I will preface my response to saying I prefer Kaelyssa in Hardcore since her feat is pretty much universally helpful and forces your opponent to think outside the box.

I would play easy to run units like Halbs. Sentinels can take a while with Vengeance. Nyss are also a great fast activating unit. Also don't gameplan your list specifically to maximize just the feat turn.


First turn just run everything up, put polarity shield on whatever your frontline unit is. I haven't played a 7 minute round time in forever since the switch to deathclock. Are you sure it is 7 minute turns and not hardcore?

[Tol]

Yea their website says "Player turns will last 7 minutes, no extensions". It also says "Classic Hardcore Time Limits (7 Minute Turns, no extensions)"

I tried it with my regular Rahn list last night, trying to stay within 10 minutes, and I came nowhere near that time cap.

They seem to want the whole game to start and end inside of 55 minutes.

[joelker41]

I would stay away from MHSF inn this. Nyss+Halbs+2-3 heavies and a few arcanists.

[joelker41]

Army Name: rahn hardcore
Retribution of Scyrah
50+6 points, 36 models

Adeptis Rahn +6 points
* 2x Phoenix 10 points each
* Sphinx 7 points
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker 2 points

2x Arcanist 1 point each
House Shyeel Battle Mages 5 points
10 Houseguard Halberdiers 7 points
* Halberdier Officer & Standard 2 points
* 1 Soulless Escort 1 point
10 Nyss Hunters 10 points


As an example.

[Tol]

You're just determined to get me to buy some dang Nyss Hunters aren'tcha? lol

Thats a solid list. I do have a fully painted Sphinx also that I just finished, so that's perfect.

Would you not consider dropping the Halbs and instead Marshalling the Sphinx to a Scyir, and then adding a couple of Mage Hunter Assassins?

Adeptis Rahn +6 points
* 2x Phoenix 10 points each
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker 2 points

2x Arcanist 1 point each
House Shyeel Battle Mages 5 points
Dawnguard Scyir 2 points
* Sphinx 7 points
10 Nyss Hunters 10 points
2x Mage Hunter Assassin 2 points each

Something along these lines? Lesser model count, but the Mage Hunter Assassins play in bursts, so they're light on time but heavy on damage.

This list would leave 4 points, so maybe a Destor Thane? Single model, fast, and he might get 4 shots, especially on a knocked down target?

[Indy]

If you're going to take the Scyir with a Sphinx, you might consider swapping the Nyss for Invictors, too. I think your extra four points there pays for that swap, plus a Soulless, iirc.

[Mastershake]

I'm a Rahn guy, I have played a game with Ossyan maybe once or twice but as I look into more competetive play, doing tournaments and whatnot, I find myself wanting to play at conventions and whatnot. I'm going to one in Austin and the Hardcore rules have the turns down to SEVEN minutes. Seven?! I can't even thank the guy for coming, volunteering his models to die horribly to some elven vengeance. How am I supposed to activate and run a fairly infantry heavy list as Retribution is typically run?

How the hell do you build a list for Hardcore using Retribution? Mangled Metal and a couple of MHAs? Worse of all it's at 50 points too!

How do you supply that many Warjacks with Focus?!

So I'm creating this thread as a cry for help to those who have competed in a Hardcore event for some feedback on what kind of list you'd want to run, and whether or not it's feasible for Retribution to run in Hardcore competitively.

Thoughts?

I had 8 Stormfalls and was never hurting for time...if you're looking for an answer that isn't "practice", I guess a low model count would work.

[Rogue Sun]

Practice.

I can run a 50 point list with 60 models in it at 10 minutes.

If you run one list over and over and over, you should get to a point where you know it inside and out and can easily run it in 7 minutes. Just play with it as much as you can and time your turns.

Other than that, as Mastershake said, you can go for a low model count, but as Retribution I feel you'll likely be sacrificing some effectiveness in your list.

[Nayuka66]

I'm a Rahn guy, I have played a game with Ossyan maybe once or twice but as I look into more competetive play, doing tournaments and whatnot, I find myself wanting to play at conventions and whatnot. I'm going to one in Austin and the Hardcore rules have the turns down to SEVEN minutes. Seven?! I can't even thank the guy for coming, volunteering his models to die horribly to some elven vengeance. How am I supposed to activate and run a fairly infantry heavy list as Retribution is typically run?

How the hell do you build a list for Hardcore using Retribution? Mangled Metal and a couple of MHAs? Worse of all it's at 50 points too!

How do you supply that many Warjacks with Focus?!

So I'm creating this thread as a cry for help to those who have competed in a Hardcore event for some feedback on what kind of list you'd want to run, and whether or not it's feasible for Retribution to run in Hardcore competitively.

Thoughts?

In terms of the 50 point mangled Metal i suggest at least 2 Hydras. You can throw 3 focus on each and leave it there so that gives you a bit of play there. As far as the rest goes its up to you really but Keeping a banshee/Daemon would be really effective and definitely a Phoenix. Also Lights are nice to keep something tied up for a minute (DON'T FORGET ABOUT WEAPON LOCKS!!) they can be used to slow down their game while you walkin in and trounce them. Oh btw Kaylyssa would be best shes got the most focus and her feat stated earlier in this post is a huge help when you want to or need to wait a turn for something and can minimize damage.

[hausdorff space]

Important thing to realise about large armies and timed turns:

• just because you have X many models on the table doesn't mean all X many models need to move, attack and whatever else.

Practice solves a lot of problems. Timed turns stop you over complicating things.

[MMMMK]

Fane Knight and D. Thane are both quite good with Rahn and have much faster activations than a similarly expensive unit. I'd dump the Scyir/Sphinx combo and get Skeryth and a Thane in.