I got my *** handed to me last night by Ret.

[Cairo]

Not to sound like a jackass but it was the first game I have lost in like 3 weeks. THAT BEING SAID, He was playing a load out of unit I had no idea existed(Ret is not popular where I come from) and When I finally realized this It was too late. The problem I had was the Shooting. He had two HUGE units of low cost long range, a jack that shot out a big *** ROF 3 aoe and some d-bags that kept moving my Gladiator backwards out of threat range. So, my question is(for those of you who know Ret) what does skorne do against shooty elves?

[Delrogue]

pMak with ferox to engage at long range. pHex to counter the battle mages. Orin midwinter is also very useful. They can be a hard faction to play against, and it's hard to give specific ideas with non-specific data..

[Falkman]

He had two HUGE units of low cost long range

They are also only RAT 5 and POW 10 base. One full unit costs 8 points without UA, so if he took two of those he wasted a lot of points on mediocre shooting. Run to engage them, they can't fight their way out of wet paperbags in melee. Anything that raises your DEF vs shooting is brilliant as well, Defenders ward or Ashen veil means they'll be at 10+ to hit before aiming or CRAing.

a jack that shot out a big *** ROF 3 aoe

There is no Retribution jack with a ROF 3 AOE gun. There is one with a ROF 3 gun, but it does not have an AOE.

[Jaradakar]

Ret forces people to play very differently than normal. You can't hang back. You need to engage in melee ASAP at all costs. Often this means RUNNING the first couple of turns (with everything).

Getting into melee and staying in is important. It becomes harder for your opponent to target you with telekinesis or other range attacks. Just be thankful because Jacks take extra die of damage from Magehunters.

[Triumph Of Man]

some d-bags that kept moving my Gladiator backwards out of threat range.

Sounds like Battlemages. They really do not like getting hit by eHex's Ashes to Ashes.

I've proxied Tiberion against Ret before. The players go purple in the face when they discover they can't move him.

[Tainted Coil]

I perfer Makeda or Mordikaar against Ret, but really we can get by with any caster. The trick is to rush his lines with everything, running to engage if you must. Take Nihilators as they are perfect for this, and if you get to charge can wreck his infantry.

I play Ret, so I know first hand this is the way to beat them.

[jettzypher]

move fast and buff defense where possible.

some d-bags that kept moving my Gladiator backwards out of threat range.

couple suggestions here. either try to run around obstacles so that they cant push you, or line the back side of your gladiator with some handlers or low-cost models. cant be pushed back if theres something or someone in the way. second option isnt as ideal as they could just kill the dudes there depending on placement

[Skorznex]

They are also only RAT 5 and POW 10 base. One full unit costs 8 points without UA, so if he took two of those he wasted a lot of points on mediocre shooting. Run to engage them, they can't fight their way out of wet paperbags in melee. Anything that raises your DEF vs shooting is brilliant as well, Defenders ward or Ashen veil means they'll be at 10+ to hit before aiming or CRAing.


There is no Retribution jack with a ROF 3 AOE gun. There is one with a ROF 3 gun, but it does not have an AOE.

Yes there is its called the Manticore and its called Covering Fire.

Sounds like he was running Riflemen, which yeah isn't that great, MHSF would have been a better choice with the UA of course. I am thinking his caster may have been Ossyan his feat turn is pretty gross.

[Earthcrosser599]

I almost always have a Krea in my lists and between its aura and not wasting any time getting into melee things usually work out for me.

[PG_yaro86ster]

ossyyan can provide AOE to jack so Manticore with shatter storm is ROF 3 AOE.

[Demonster]

Battlemages aka Mittens are the most annoying thing to deal with I'll admit. Get Tyrant Vorkesh and your Certrati will be a mess for them. Hiding behind obstacles are also good. Otherwise, just run right into them to stop their annoying shenanigans.... And if the warcaster was Adeptis Rahn, then start looking for pHexeris - I refuse to fight Retribution otherwise.

[Tainted Coil]

I just smashed a ret list yesterday with Xerxes. Bronzeback cast Train Wreck on the Sentry, Xerxes put Defenders Ward on him, feat, enrage I smashed a Banshee with just initial attacks, and the 3" of extra movement got me into his battle engine, which I then promptly smashed with 3 bought spears. Jammed with Nihilators and Cetrati to shut down shooting. From there it was just dice rolling.

Once Tiberion hits we will have a great answer to Battlemages. ARM21 and can't be moved...

[Bartacus]

It doesn't sound like you really knew what any of his pieces were or what they could do, in which case it's no surprise that you got rolled.

Do you know which caster he was running? Ret. can play more than one style, and while they are generally quite shooty (Ravyn and Ossyan lists in particular have strong shooting feats) you will also need to be prepared for more melee oriented lists run by Vyros, and more tricksy lists under Rahn and Kaellysa (sp?).

Ret. also have some very hard-hitting solo's in the mage hunter assassins, Narn and Skerryth Issyan (dragoon).

To be honest the best thing you could do is read up on Ret. yourself to see what they do and then start working some tactics out on the table.

[WindlordRyu]

pMorg is generally good vs Ret, unless they're playing Ravyn they really have trouble hitting him. And they usually have trouble taking down our heavies, Morg brings several and makes them even more annoying with Admonition. He also make Cyclops so stupidly fast that you can actually engage his ranged stuff before they get to shoot.

[Kurgash]

I've been lucky to not encounter the battle mages yet, only have had to deal with Vyros and Dawnguard. Though this gives me good insight on what to expect.

[Falkman]

Yes there is its called the Manticore and its called Covering Fire.

Covering fire is a special action, it can only be done once per turn. The Manticore's gun does not have an AOE, thus it is not a ROF3 AOE gun.
Don't correct people if you don't know what you're talking about.

ossyyan can provide AOE to jack so Manticore with shatter storm is ROF 3 AOE.

That's not really how Shatter storm works. It doesn't simply give an AOE to the gun, what it does is that when a model kills something, you place an AOE over the model killed. So if he fires the gun but doesn't kill anything, there's no AOE.

[Kenton]

Once Tiberion hits we will have a great answer to Battlemages. ARM21 and can't be moved...

Orin Midwinter is a better option as he affects more than one model. Pop him behind something like cetrati or a Krea and you're laughing. Plus it prevents the rest of your force being abused by the mittens too

Of course MHSF + UA will counter him nicely . .