If you could change one rule...

[moorg]

There are PoM players who don't even have one unit, let alone two...

WHY??????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

And most of us with a unit, got them when they were still good.

I wouldn't spend the money now.

Honestly, they're better with Magnus for Snipe than they are with any Protectorate Warcaster.

[Alexwheeler]

I wanna be able to stack upkeeps, not for any game balance reason, I just think that throwing all my eggs in one nuclear basket would be fun!

I think you should be able to stack not just upkeeps but animi as well! Aslong as they didn't give the same ability ae two spells/abilities that both give snipe/+4" on rng attacks. b/c giving a model with a 12" gun + 8" from spells would be VERY broken......

[Vicomte Athos]

Here's one from us Minion players....

Give the Thrullg Stealth.

[Azuresun]

All this talk of adding penalties to undead really just sounds like 'I can't beat cryx'. Menoth has absolutely no issue killing undead with its fire without any kind of additional buff. Undead statlines are already about as low as you can go for most things.

Thing is, Cryx actually lose more than most against Undead, with their many soul / corpse / living model based mechanics.

[Mod_Faultie]

High Shields UA: Change Double Time to Reform.

[Vicomte Athos]

Thing is, Cryx actually lose more than most against Undead, with their many soul / corpse / living model based mechanics.

But thier lost is universal and not one sided. In cryx vs cryx both sides are depowered equally. In cryx vs anyone else Undead is a huge advantage.

[Earthcrosser599]

Adding weaknesses to elemental damage types would be a cool flavor thing. I remember in WFB when treemen took extra damage from flaming attacks. Funny. I also second the notion that immunity to one type of a dual-elemental attack shouldn't negate the entire attack.

I really don't like the base size blocking LOS rules most of all. If the guy you're hiding behind is tall enough to hide you from my sight, he's tall enough to hide me from your sight.

[Circle noob]

how about changing the field promotion rule to being unable to issue orders for one round. you dont loose attacks and represents an effect on the whole unit. adjusting to a new leader in a stressful situation is far from easy.

[Nuriochi_sol]

Give the original Swordmasters (Sword Knights) back their Swordmaster ability. Miss that one a LOT, esp when you compare them to say LoE's Legionnaires.

[Indy]

I agree that there seems to be a weird sort of immunity that being Undead grants you that, in some cases, doesn't seem to make any sense. Okay, sure, maybe Heart Eater shouldn't work on ghosts... but is there really a good reason why Kill Shot doesn't? Why doesn't Snacking or Carnivore work on a Mechanithrall? I think it's the logic of "This shouldn't work on a ghost" that somehow makes Undead stuff immune to random effects, that maybe should be looked at. I mean, would it really be so bad if some of them added "And Undead" to their descriptions, so that things like Constructs remain immune as intended?

Also, for thos unfamiliar with Birds Eye, it ignores Forests, Cloud Effects and Interviening Models for LOS... but does not grant you the ability to ignore the defensive buffs these things grant you. It also gives you a 360 front arc. Eyeless Sight should work like this.

[Trollz]

Why do people continue to make these threads with the aim to be, "Constructive," when they will forever devolve into non-constructive whining. *Rubs temples* -_-

But since we're all talking about fantasy land, I figure I shall throw in my lot.

Destroyer: P+S 18 Axe, I'll keep saying it... and saying it... and saying it... we're Khador, come on guys.

Typhon: Pathfinder, really how does everyone else have it but him.

Katherine Laddermore: Make Electro Charger not just within 5", it really messes with my eStryker Tier funk, or at least have it as a tier benefit.

Shallow Water needs to stop turning off ALL warjacks when they fall in it. Like seriously, how does it put out thunderhead...and necrotite... and magic elf warjacks? Stupid Barnabas.

Mountain King... just something....

Skinner needs to have some form of Tactics[Scouts]

Zerkova needs something like Vayl's oraculus, or some kind of WJ bond that turns it into an arc node.

And my final wish for a change " Conquest, release date June 11th" <<< if only -_-

[Vicomte Athos]

Shallow Water needs to stop turning off ALL warjacks when they fall in it. Like seriously, how does it put out thunderhead...and necrotite... and magic elf warjacks? Stupid Barnabas.

Give gators a way to deal with jacks and I agree. Until then you can take a bath and like it. :P

[kaneblaise]

If "target living" was changed to "target non-incorporeal and non-construct" seems like it would fix a lot of people's complaints.

I wouldn't mind seeing Elemental Immunity become 1 less damage die. Then if you have Immunity Fire and Immunity Ice and someone hits you with a fire and ice attack, you take two less damage dice. This could be how Elemental Vulnerability could work as well, one additional damage die against whatever element.

Eyeless Sight allowing models to draw LOW through forests, clouds, and to see stealth sounds like a plenty good enough ability.

Rhyas should have Pathfinder and Reach. I don't play Legion, but she should.

[PG_Alviaran]

Honestly, with regards to the undead thing, one simple change would be to allow any corpse gathering abilities to still work (it IS a walking corpse, right?). Soul gathering shouldn't. As it is, soul and corpse gathering is...very similar.

[TrilliumLT]

How about we fix something simple like the rules for Fleeing. I find it silly that you are not forced to run from that terrifying breasty. Moving 0" seem wrong to me.
But I did play that other game for 25 years so maybe I'm just used to having my models run for there lives.

[TrilliumLT]

Arrgg double post.

[bouncymischa]

How about we fix something simple like the rules for Fleeing. I find it silly that you are not forced to run from that terrifying breasty. Moving 0" seem wrong to me.
But I did play that other game for 25 years so maybe I'm just used to having my models run for there lives.

Reminds me of the time I saw a Legion player lose their entire infantry complement before the game started, because he'd accidentally placed a member of the unit too close to an Abomination. Oops.

Mk I fleeing rules basically allowed Abominations and models to Terror to utterly annihilate units. There's a reason Mk I ended up overflowing with Fearless and other ways to avoid failing command checks, because the effects of doing so were devastating.

[watchgeorgerock]

Remove Veteran leader on Finn. Fix his and the trencher points or increase the winter guards points

[Gavriel]

I would like to see Idrians rebalanced a bit to get them on the table more.

In my experience they do seem to make up their points whenever I play them, the problem is that I have other units that cost less and tend to make up more than their points when I field them.

Rng 12 would help, or just reduce the point cost of the base unit by one, 6/9 seems more reasonable than 6/10.

[katadder]

as a crossover from another thread I would like to see gators work for farrow and farrow work for gators. currently they will work for everyone else in hordes but not each other.

[Lich_Lord_X]

Make wings ignore free strikes again... Wait, are we trying to make things fair or unfair?

[Antigonus]

@Konradexius - I think everyone wants to see Shield Guard fixed

@warlorddrax - TB on pHaley was tweaked once during Mk1 (IIRC), and it might have changed when Mk2 turned up). If you want to make it even more expensive, I'd like the original TB back. Also, I thought eHaley's feat was a pulse anyway, at least the unit control element.

@MagnusTheJust - You make a good point re eMagnus' Theme Force. I currently can't see myself ever building it. Mind you, the earlier requirement of Croe's doesn't help matters

@Faultie - Could you elaborate on that one, chief? Do you mean replace the order with a general rule.

@katadder - and given the background for Minions, Blindwater and Thornfall are to each others' throats, so it fits.

For my change, tweak Veteran Leader so that it is Friendly [Type X] models within CMD range, rather than has LOS to the Leader. I know that'll affect Finn, but does it affect anyone else?

[Zakion]

If I could change something it would be a units command area is equal to half it's command value, might stop infantry spam as let's face it do units really need a 20" bubble if there command is 10.

[Brandubh]

I came up with another (since everyone else is breaking my rule :P ). This would be a little broken, but would be fun for Circle players. Have Kromac's beast form make him count as a Warbeast in terms of spells and animi targeting. It could be sort of like Karchev's Man In the Machine rule in terms of how Karchev takes damage. He could get Wild Aggression from a Woldwarden, Bounding from a Gnarlhorn and would be hitting with auto-boosted attacks and charging up to SPD + 7 with reach. I'd love it and I'd keep him in beast form a lot more than just his feat turn. It could work in reverse as well as things that effect beasts would effect him.

[bouncymischa]

Rng 12 would help, or just reduce the point cost of the base unit by one, 6/9 seems more reasonable than 6/10.

Man, I remember when they were a 7/11 unit during the Field Test, and when they got moved down to 6/10 everyone breathed a sigh of relief and said, "At least they're playable now!"

How times change...

[Gavriel]

Man, I remember when they were a 7/11 unit during the Field Test, and when they got moved down to 6/10 everyone breathed a sigh of relief and said, "At least they're playable now!"

How times change...

I remember that too, and I was on the fore of saying that having both cra and cma was worth it. Then along came the Errant UA. While I realize that the two units have two extremely different functions, I find that at their point cost you are probably going to be more willing to give up a skirmishing attack unit than a primary tarpit unit that also does good damage. Maybe with tourneys moving to 75 points I'll actually get them out on the table again, but I would never take them in place of most of our other units.

[SnakeEyes]

If I could change only one rule it would be to remove the boiler extinguish on jacks in shallow water. Cute and fluffy but unnecessary.

[PG_Caecus Scius]

+Jacks all have 1" reach.
+Repair works .5" and no skill, but drop the amount to d3
+Fix shield guard
+all warjack ranged weapons get to make a basic attack at str of jack.

[PG_Caecus Scius]

If I could change something it would be a units command area is equal to half it's command value, might stop infantry spam as let's face it do units really need a 20" bubble if there command is 10.

I just read this... I am pretty sure you need to read the rule book? Unit Command Range is equal to command... 10" on cmd 10.

[Sygerrik]

I just read this... I am pretty sure you need to read the rule book? Unit Command Range is equal to command... 10" on cmd 10.

He's saying that it SHOULD be half-CMD, because then units would be forced to condense up-- as it stands a CMD 10 unit can cross 20", from edge guy to sarge to edge guy. Which is too much ground.

[hausdorff space]

I just read this... I am pretty sure you need to read the rule book? Unit Command Range is equal to command... 10" on cmd 10.

10 inches to the left + 10 inches to the right = 20 inches (plus base size) across.

EDIT: of course CMD stats could just be dropped a bit so that infantry are actually scared of some things.

Damn. Ninja'd.

[RetributionBomb]

Agreed.

...and if I was allowed to add a second choice. I'd change how Hills work.

Remove the +2 Def for being on a hill that makes absolutely no sense when you actually think about it.

[jandrese]

I would change the way Elevated Attacker works to make it consistent with Elevated Defender so it doesn't confuse the crap out of everybody.

Seriously, just: When attacker or defender are elevated, ignore all non-elevated intervening models further than 1" away from a non-elevated participant. Elevated defenders still get +2 DEF vs. ranged and magic attacks from a non-elevated attacker as well.

The current rule is so confusing because suddenly the attacker's base size matters and it's a greater than instead of greater than or equal operation and holy crap a Defender on a Hill can shoot just about anything it wants.

[TheLoki]

Change deathroll to additional die instead of boos.

[Crate123]

well I still say it needs a negative side effect for all of its awesomeness

It doesnt need a negative side, PP just REALLY has to make everything only trigger off living models. Stop that!

[Esper]

Remove LoS requirement of Sorscha's feat.

[computertrucker]

Hmmm.. Allow models with magic melee weapons to make free strikes against incorporeal and ghostly models. Would actually make a lot of sense that they could

[jandrese]

Um, they can. At least with Incorporeal. Ghostly has it's own "no freestrikes" clause that could maybe be updated to no freestrikes from non-magical weapons.

[Driver]

Nothing. I really like the game how it is!

[Antigonus]

Remove LoS requirement of Sorscha's feat.

Not just no, hell no!