N3MO, a force to be reckoned with

[Stephan Garmark]

God this new incarnation of Nemo is good. I just started playing him, and so far he's just incredible. I play him with Stormwall, but not tier, because I want Reinholdt with him.
Tonight I killed eSkarre on her feat turn with him, how awesome is that?

So what do you guys think. Top tier or circumstancial? I definetly think he's up there with the best of them. Thanks PP for making Colossals the greatest release in Cygnar MRKII.

Peace

[Robert Shepherd]

What is clarified whether his feat works on Electroleaps?

[Taslon]

Both Soles and DC said that It affects leaps At LnL. I believe them

[Taslon]

Also the tactical tips say the exact same thing for eleap as it does for bounces of Chain lightning and generator

[sleet01]

I got an infernal to say he thought the feat worked on e-leaps, but it was at L&L so he might not have really been paying attention. ^_^

I explained the question on the interaction and asked all my opponents which way they wanted me to play the feat/e-leap combo; they all said it should boost e-leaps. It didn't seem overpowered when played that way, maybe a bit stronger than Bombs Away but not catastrophic in most cases.

[PG_Agamemnon]

I am wondering where people are getting that eleaps do not work on his feat.

[mydnight]

What happens when facing an army immune to electricity? Force hammers won't be enough to get you through. Essentially its his focus efficiency with Caitlin that makes him worth considering as top tier in large games.

[John of Arc]

Lightning immunity isn't that prevalent outside of Cygnar. A couple things in Circle, and that's it. Against Cygnar and Circle you can bring a different list, and even then within those factions you'll rarely face an all-lightning-immune army. Pretty much the only ones I can think of are Stormwall/Stormstrider/Stormblade/guard lists, or Krueger lists that take tons of druids and a fulcrum. Either way, I'm not too concerned about lightning immunity popping up too often, though you should definitely have a backup plan. Force Hammer also isn't your only spell against electric immune armies, though; Electrify still pushes, Lightning Shroud is still a damage buff, and Failsafe is Failsafe.

[Robert Shepherd]

I am wondering where people are getting that eleaps do not work on his feat.

As I understand it, it was due to the fact that electroleaps in the past have been ruled as not counting as an attack made by a model for the purposes of a few different effects.

[Gavriel]

It's because Prey has been ruled to not affect e-leaps when you put lightning tendrils on Tharn Ladies. Since prey has similar language to the feat it was thought that the same problem that prey had would affect the feat.

[Stephan Garmark]

So, we've established that his feat works on e-leaps (obviously), back the the question please guys. Is N3MO the shizzle or is he just a flavour of the month?

[MollyHatchet]

You are going to have to be careful with him a bit (AND Finch) but I think he is going to shake up the power scale a little bit.

I like him... I like him alot. I want him badly to see if he will take the place of the other two Nemo's in my rotation.

[bStyker]

I'm very excited to try him out in my next game or two, but I'd prefer to do it with the Stormwall. I feel like the place effect for the Lightning Pods, plus the inclusion of Reinholt is almost too great to pass on.

Obviously running him with a couple of Stormclads would be great, especially when they've got some Stormblades around for extreme focus efficiency. (3 focus to have 2 Stormclads on 3 focus each with an upkeep? Yes please!)

Has anyone really played around with a pair of Storm Towers? I'm dying to hear how useful they are with N3mo, especially during feat turn.

Best,

[bigbarry99]

*Keep in mind I do not own a Storm Strider*

It seemd to me like threemo works even better with the storm strider than with the storm wall. Given Nemo's new feat I think the utility of having so many lightning attacks gain an additional die, you would almost want them to also get the bonus to hit from the strider. The storm wall does work very well with 3mo, but it does not have enough lightning for my tastes esp during feat turn. I could see a strider and 2 storm towers holding the middle behind a line of storm guard and just wrecking house on feat turn, throwing out tons of boosted pow 10s, with the strider giving the towers a bonus to hit. I am saving up for a strider right now, and have nemo on order from my lgs.

[Defenstrator]

Just in case people are wondering who got the e-leap ruling and are worried it's just a rumour from internet land, it was me. I talked to Jason Soles after he finished an Iron Arena game and he was quite clear.

I have N3mo but haven't had a chance to play him yet. I've been forced to catch up on life after L&L. But I am very excited about him and Storm Striders. I like Striders already, and between two of those, a Storm Tower, and a Lancer to throw Chain Lightning through, I think our range game is pretty solid.

[GunMageinTraining]

N3mo would seem to work fairly well with most of our electrical stuff.

Stormwall, Fireflys and Stormcallers all synergize up well and bypass a lot of defensive tech, either via Triangulation attacks, or eLeap. Additionally, Stormstriders, and Storm Towers can provide quite a bit of punch too. I'd agree that Stormwall may be a little bit superfluous, but he provides a huge backbone for a Cygnar list, something we've routinely lacked, and his Storm Pods are the ultimate set-up for e-Leaping/Chain Lightning Fun. Having access to un-typed damage also helps just in case you end up mirror-matching or vs Circle (and the covering fire templates are a godsend).

Stormguard, Stormblades and Stormlances are all solid, but they need extraneous boosts. You can't hope to rely on a feat to make them worth their cost, and N3mo doesn't really provide anything for them beyond it.

[Defenstrator]

I think damage output needs to be emphasised in an N3mo list. He can protect jacks with Fortify and Electrify, but his ability to support units is limited. There's no stacking of Deflection like pNemo or Polarity Field like eNemo. With N3mo your guys are going to get shot and charged, so taking heavy models like Storm Striders that are easier to defend and can really put out damage is going to be important.

My theorymachine would incline me to try and soften them up at range, probably using the feat to remove a key unit and/or heavy. Then follow that up with the fully loaded heavy jacks to break their back. Ive' fought against a three Stormclad list and being able to load up three melee heavies (1 focus Nemo + 1 Finch + 1 Stormblades) is pretty mean. And that's after they walked up and vaporised one of my heavies at range with their POW 14 + 4d6 guns (additional die + boosted).

[Tath]

Def, I think that might of been me you played. Were you running pLilith with an odd list? (2 seraph, 1 angelis, typhon, shredder)

[phreaker187]

I played him at lock and load without the stormwall (I didn't feel like throwing it together half-assed). Ran him against Legion, Thunderhead, Stormclad, Guard, JWC, Smiths Strider. I was getting thrashed pretty good until I used my feat, then pretty much tabled him.

The big power play with 3mo isn't his feat, which is amazing, it's not having anything leap back to your own guys; That's just stupid good.

[Taslon]

The reason I like the wall so much with him is the 15 in range on pods and off that pod I can bounce a dediculous number of additional die pow tens. Two storm towers, a strider and memos gun x2 shots boosted will kill almost anything hordes aster wise and a lot of warmachine casters depending on focus. Even better if you can disrupt them. And if your hitting a low armor lock all the better if they xfer cause there heavies start disappearing.

[Joasht]

Oddly enough if I played Nemo3 I probably wouldn't really play Stormwall, but I'd be very much interested in taking at least one Storm Strider and the Stormblade Deathstar, the latter of which I haven't touched in months.

[Defenstrator]

Def, I think that might of been me you played. Were you running pLilith with an odd list? (2 seraph, 1 angelis, typhon, shredder)

Yes, that was my "I never play pLylyth or Seraphs anymore so I'll make a list that has both" list. When the Angelius went <splork> I was pretty worried. I think you have a solid core for a 50 point list, but at 35 it's tough to keep Nemo safe except with distance.

[TheIronclad]

Defenstrator, as a fellow Cygnar player, I thank you for asking Jason Soles about the feat and eleaps. You have saved our entire faction from worrying about it.

[Stephan Garmark]

I played him at lock and load without the stormwall (I didn't feel like throwing it together half-assed). Ran him against Legion, Thunderhead, Stormclad, Guard, JWC, Smiths Strider. I was getting thrashed pretty good until I used my feat, then pretty much tabled him.

The big power play with 3mo isn't his feat, which is amazing, it's not having anything leap back to your own guys; That's just stupid good.

Gun, Gobbo and lightning pods are just amazing. Pair it with his feat and you have dead casters left and right

[microdave]

Thunderhead is a major assassination piece for him. I know these forums don't like him very much, but if you think about it you're hurting yourself by not taking him. Especially with +2 STR in case you need him in melee.

[perilsensitive]

N3mo's feat doesn't say attacks - just electric damage rolls. I tried a pGrissel t4 list against him (with 54 models @50 points). I had him on his back heels immediately, but on his feat turn the amount of infantry he tore through was breathtaking. To the point that I wasn't sure I could win on control points and went for the assassination (and failed). He is a very versatile caster, and I imagine will be very popular.

[sleet01]

He's kind of a mix between pNemo and eNemo, but without the defensive, lock-down, or extra-movement abilities of either. That said, Finch makes his extra-focus ability almost the cross-product of the other two: capable of providing extra focus every turn at a far greater rate than either previous incarnation could sustain, at a lower points investment, without involving a feat. I think he's meant to be completely offensive in nature, and that playstyle does seem to work best with him.

[Griffin839]

You guys should try an unbound game with Nemo3 and Styker2. Nemo3 uses all of his focus to enlarge his control area as much as possible then pops feat. stryker and squire move in between 2 units of stormguards, then pops feat catching both. Then your stormguard under both feats proceed to rip through about 75pts of infantry. Its beautiful.

[PG_Agamemnon]

Unfortunately that would not work in unbound. 3Nemo's feat only works during the turn he activates. So it only affects his battle group and models used before your opponent goes. Unbound specifically tries to tame down muli-caster feat awesomeness.

[Griffin839]

Unfortunately that would not work in unbound. 3Nemo's feat only works during the turn he activates. So it only affects his battle group and models used before your opponent goes. Unbound specifically tries to tame down muli-caster feat awesomeness.

Always 100 pt games. lol

[PG_hockmanm]

Also keep in mind what actually has the "Electrical" damage icon. Most melee attacks don't generate this icon only their ranged variations.

I ran him in 3 games yesterday. One at 35 and two at 25. Won all 3. First was against Kromac, and the feat turn damage output I shoved on him was enough to wipe all his beasts and kill him with overflow. Second was against Lylyth, and I killed her on feat wtih leaps and chains by arcing off her models around the other side of a stone structure she was hiding behind. Final game was against Sturm and Drang, and on feat turn I wiped almost two units of Slaughterhousers, Targ, and one War Pig and left him with just a Warpig (who I tied up my walking up my Lancer to engage at Reach) and his caster. Next turn dead caster.

So yes, in my mind he is amazing. I've always loved the Nemos and to me this is the Nemo I've always wanted.

P.S. Storm Towers are super awesome with him. I ran two in my first game . . . . loved it.

[bStyker]

@hockmanm - So glad to hear you loved the Storm Towers with him. I've been toying around with bringing a pair of them to most games these days. My latest exploit being to run one of the towers up 8" so that the other tower could shoot it in the back and arc into a Stealth Solo. Very excited to see these things shine. I just love the models.

[PG_Agamemnon]

About your Storm Towers Don't run the unit so the other one can shoot it in the back. Walk the grunt up and then shoot him in the back with the tower (leader). I always run them first turn to get into position. Then they spend the rest of the game unleashing electrical mayhem all over.

[Stephan Garmark]

I don't use storm towers with him, first of all I think they have some pretty annoying accuracy problems, but more so than that, what they do I already do with the rest of my force. Nemo + Reinholdt is a lot of lightning, especially when he also casts chain lighting.
That feat is just so nasty though. I had an entire unit of Iron fangs charge into my ranks, almost wrecking my Stormclad (it was on 1 box) and killing a lot of Stormguard. Now his dudes where crammed in there real good and I had my Stormwall right next to them and Arlan behind it because he'd just made some repairs on it.
So I feated and used Arlans spray on the Iron Fangs, killing almost half of them, then they stormwall used a pod and killed 4 more, finally and this was the most fun one, the leader of the Stormguard who was the last man standing in that unit charged in, killed 1 guy on charge, electroleaped to another guy, killing him dead and then shooting his silly little gun thus killing the last Iron Fang.

[bStyker]

@Stephan Garmark - Glad to hear that Stormguard Captain did something worthy of his status. I love models in this game that can dance through multiple infantry at a time. (Probably the reason why I'm tempted by making a small Circle force complete with 2 Reeve Hunter Solos... those guys can dance through 6 models at a time with perfect rolls and situations!)

Getting more and more excited to try out N3mo in a real game.

[Juggernautie]

Hmm, Nemo3 with Reinholdt? I had not considered that. It is like taking a Stormtower at 1/2 the price? I liikkeee it!

[Sardonic Artery]

the leader of the Stormguard who was the last man standing in that unit charged in, killed 1 guy on charge, electroleaped to another guy, killing him dead and then shooting his silly little gun thus killing the last Iron Fang.

I always wondered about that gun -- if the leader gets to essentially play virtuoso by killing in melee, then hurling an electric bolt at someone, or if he had to choose between melee and shooting (SG unit charged, so no shooting for you, leader).

[sleet01]

He's got Gunfighter and is specifically granted a single ranged attack following his action, so he can use it after making a melee attack. The only time he's not allowed to shoot is when he ran, or forfeited his action, or otherwise is not eligible to make ranged attacks at all. The only thing I'm not clear on is if he can make an attack at something outside his Gunfighter melee range if he's still engaged when he shoots.

Edit: Since Gunfighter only overrides the "No ranged attacks while in melee" rule to allow ranged attacks against targets the model is in melee *with*, an engaged/engaging Stormguard Leader has to take his shot at something he's in melee with. At least his Gunfighter range is 2", rather than 0.5".

[Varius]

I dont think you can. Gunfighter (I believe) states that you make make ranged attacks in .5" range. Its why gunfighter doesnt work vs reach by default.

And his ranged attack isnt attached to the weapon, so I dont believe it grants reach...does it? Like if I have a shield and spear, I cant attack with the shield if the guy is 2" away from me.

Edit: nevermind, sleet is right. Thats an odd ruling. Not complaining though

[hmk17]

Hmm, Nemo3 with Reinholdt? I had not considered that. It is like taking a Stormtower at 1/2 the price? I liikkeee it!

Picked up Nemo3 tonight and was going over his stat card before a D&D game. The GM, who plays Cryx, and I discussed a few things and I brought up Reinholdt. He shook his head and muttered about how broken it was.

I still have a smile on my face.