N3MO, a force to be reckoned with

[Tath]

I don't understand the advantage of the hunter swarm with Nemo3. In order to receive Finch's free focus they need to be within 8" of her and I generally hold them on the flanks. Also I usually only give my hunters 1 focus a turn to boost damage. With Rat 7 hitting isn't usually a big deal.

I'm much more behind the multiple stormclad lists. They can brick up to block LOS to Finch and Nemo. Under lightning shroud p+s 21 with reach is great. And if there is a unit of stormblades around three fully loaded jacks only costs me 3 focus off Nemo leaving him plenty to camp, or boost shots or even chain lightning. Muse on Mini's was also talking about taking multiple cheap ironclads with him. They're mat 7 and p+s 18 so they're killy enough to easy to piece trade with. Only major downside is the predictable threat range.

[Stephan Garmark]

I think i have found the perfect nickname for Legendary/Epic Nemo: "El Nino"

Eh?

Sticks with the lightning/storm theme, plus it sounds almost the same!

I don't think "the kid" is a very good nickname for the old guy.

[Anurien]

hm. Pedant eh?

Actually El Nino is ... nothing. See that Nino? It is not a word. The closest it translates to is "The Nino". The loss of the diacritical tilde is a limitation of English nomenclature on keyboards. ñ is not n. This page might help:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%91

The Child is El Niño. Often refering to Christ. It is used to describe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_nino

The Kid would be El Cabrito (the young goat)

Pedantry will always end in some one being more pedantic than you.

El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) is a global coupled ocean-atmosphere phenomenon. The Pacific ocean signatures, El Niño and La Niña are important temperature fluctuations in surface waters of the tropical Eastern Pacific Ocean. The name El Niño, from the Spanish for "the little boy", refers to the Christ child, because the phenomenon is usually noticed around Christmas time in the Pacific Ocean off the west coast of South America

Too Long: Dont rant version, Yo Dawg I heard you like to correct people for being wrong so i put a correction in for you. Also? El Nemo is a good nickname for him

[sleet01]

I just realized that every time Anurian posts, it's in direct contradiction to his signature.

[TsavongLah]

Too Long: Dont rant version, Yo Dawg I heard you like to correct people for being wrong so i put a correction in for you.

Yo dawg, I heard you like to correct people for being wrong, so I'll just mention that tl;dr actually means "too long; didn't read" and requires a semicolon, not a colon.

[Anurien]

I know what TLR means...

hence Too long: Dont rant... get it? I was in a funny mood. Not funny Ha ha either. I guess I should not post at times like that :S

Also I started ignoring the voices in my head years ago. So I cant follow "You're on a forum- text is an unforgiving medium. Even if you don't mean it to sound angry, it can sound angry" very well. Too much sarcasm and bile rolling around in the noggin.
And yeah I should probably put "Pedantry will always end in some one being more pedantic than you." in as my sig.

But Back on topic: is peoples founded Nemo to being Good/bad? I like sounded him that of.

[Soda Breeze]

N3mo looks pretty cool, but I wouldn't play all Stormnouns with him. Against anyone competent, you won't be able to deliver those models without most of them dying or getting incapacitated first. A 12/15 statline is horrid.

Maybe Blades + UA would hang in the back to power up Stormclads, but between Storm Striders, DJ T-Head and Nemo w/ Reinholdt your infantry-clearing abilities should be more than capable enough (except vs. Druids). I was sorta hoping for Lightning Tendrils for him...Reach Rowdy/Finn, Lightning Cyclone (Electro Leaping Thresher, whee) would make the feat that much better.

[sleet01]

@Soda: That's why I like the Storm Lances. With SPD 8 they out-range most models but at ARM 17 (20 with AS) and 5 wounds they're more hardy than our other Storm troopers, and under the feat they're doing a boosted POW 14, a boosted P+S 15, and two boosted POW 10s each when they Assault. If I take Runewood with them, they're at MAT 11 on their Charge attack; that hits even Iron Flesh WGI more than half the time. But they can do damage to heavies as well, with two Lances generally taking out two systems on heavies when assaulting.

[TerTer]

@Soda: That's why I like the Storm Lances. With SPD 8 they out-range most models but at ARM 17 (20 with AS) and 5 wounds they're more hardy than our other Storm troopers, and under the feat they're doing a boosted POW 14, a boosted P+S 15, and two boosted POW 10s each when they Assault. If I take Runewood with them, they're at MAT 11 on their Charge attack; that hits even Iron Flesh WGI more than half the time. But they can do damage to heavies as well, with two Lances generally taking out two systems on heavies when assaulting.

What list do you use with Nemo3? As i'm thinking if i should get Storm Lances as like the models and it seems that with Nemo3 they can do a lot of dmg on feat turn.

[PG_Agamemnon]

Am I the only one or did anyone else find it funny that the Spanish lesson is being handed down from Scotland?

[ShockFist]

I know StormWall was built by Nemo... I know Finch is great with her whole focus giving. But what Im starting to notice alot here is that people want to run N3mo like eNemo. N3mo has jack spells... he has some focus efficiancy, but hes not... a full fledge jack caster. Hes not eNemo. I see N3mo with at most a Lancer, Stormclad/Thunderhead and a firefly.

Stormwall is IMO the best collosal, but I think eNemo runs him better than n3mo. N3mo wants to have lots of focus over so in his FEAT turn he can maximize on casting at best 2 chain lightnings, shooting his gun, boosting damage for the destruction of key models. IMO N3mo is like caine. If he can avoid handing out focus, he will. Not to mention how awesome Force Hammer is. N3mo wants focus efficiant jacks and few of them.

I am also surprised barely no one has mention how crazy good Storm Towers are with him. I own two and man are they crazy awesome with n3mo in his feat turn. For list building for N3mo, you want to have lots of storm units to shoot at them to bounce eleaps from... storm towers for those tasty boosted pow 14s. Storm Caller shenanigas with 3d6s...

[DontStop]

Siege is my favorite "forum discussion" caster, because I absolutely hate the guy at 50 points, I think he's behind over half our other casters at 50, and I think he's right up there as one of the best casters in the game at 35 points.

Simply the number of things that can kill him in 50 points makes it hard for him to be effective. Though I haven't played him since stormwall hit, giving Siege a much more reasonable hiding place.

Totally agree.

[hmk17]

I know StormWall was built by Nemo... I know Finch is great with her whole focus giving. But what Im starting to notice alot here is that people want to run N3mo like eNemo. N3mo has jack spells... he has some focus efficiancy, but hes not... a full fledge jack caster. Hes not eNemo. I see N3mo with at most a Lancer, Stormclad/Thunderhead and a firefly.

Stormwall is IMO the best collosal, but I think eNemo runs him better than n3mo. N3mo wants to have lots of focus over so in his FEAT turn he can maximize on casting at best 2 chain lightnings, shooting his gun, boosting damage for the destruction of key models. IMO N3mo is like caine. If he can avoid handing out focus, he will. Not to mention how awesome Force Hammer is. N3mo wants focus efficiant jacks and few of them.

I am also surprised barely no one has mention how crazy good Storm Towers are with him. I own two and man are they crazy awesome with n3mo in his feat turn. For list building for N3mo, you want to have lots of storm units to shoot at them to bounce eleaps from... storm towers for those tasty boosted pow 14s. Storm Caller shenanigas with 3d6s...

I'm of the same opinion. While the Stormwall is useful with Nemo3, I'm looking at Fireflys, Stormclad and THead.

I think Nemo3 Stormnoun lists is going to be the complete bane to stealth and high def unit cheese in lower point games.

[Anurien]

I keep looking at El Nemo and thinking of eStrikers theme force... lots of electrical damage rolls.

Also..Spanish lessons from Scotland... sí?

Lots of Spanish fisherman up here... have you not heard of the Turbot War? or the Cod Wars? The Cherbourg incident of '93? Lots of international skull-duggery in the fishing industry. Honestly Canada almost went to war with Spain and France. And the Irish and UK supported Canada. Which with the previous conflicts between them all and Iceland... well. It was tense I can tell you...funnily enough it can also be linked to the Peruvian economic difficulties of the 1970s when thier Anchovy fishing industry took a big hit due to overfishing and an El Niño season depleting thier anchovy stocks. This had a detrimental effect on ...what the ...I should shut up now?

[silks]

So - how important would people say having Reinholdt is with him?

[PG_Dino-Czar]

In my experience: not very.

The gun is alright, but not so great that I'd place a high priority on the pairing in a character restricted format.

[Nutcase168]

I'm of the same opinion. While the Stormwall is useful with Nemo3, I'm looking at Fireflys, Stormclad and THead.

I think Nemo3 Stormnoun lists is going to be the complete bane to stealth and high def unit cheese in lower point games.

I have to agree, while I think the Stormwall isn't a bad investment with him, He'll see more mileage out of DJ Thead and stormclad along with storm nouns. Kind of a shame, you would hope he would have had better synergy with it.

[silks]

In my experience: not very.

The gun is alright, but not so great that I'd place a high priority on the pairing in a character restricted format.

Awesome, that's what I was hoping for - I'd like to try him out but I'd also like to try out Stormwall with Sloan and she really needs her gobber.

[Ironmoose]

@Soda: That's why I like the Storm Lances. With SPD 8 they out-range most models but at ARM 17 (20 with AS) and 5 wounds they're more hardy than our other Storm troopers, and under the feat they're doing a boosted POW 14, a boosted P+S 15, and two boosted POW 10s each when they Assault. If I take Runewood with them, they're at MAT 11 on their Charge attack; that hits even Iron Flesh WGI more than half the time. But they can do damage to heavies as well, with two Lances generally taking out two systems on heavies when assaulting.

I don't have my book handy at the moment, so I'm not sure about this, but I didn't think that the stormlance's guns had electric damage. I think it has electroleap but is non-electric main damage.



Ironmoose

[silks]

I don't have my book handy at the moment, so I'm not sure about this, but I didn't think that the stormlance's guns had electric damage. I think it has electroleap but is non-electric main damage.

It's been erratad
Storm Lances: Electrical Bolt
Add Damage Type: Electricity to the Electrical Bolt weapon
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...fficial-errata

[paspinall]

I absolutely love siege, but i just can't find a list I like with him.

Honestly, pretty much anything you like works well with Siege.

I have managed very shooty heavy armies, melee heavy armies and combined fire armies, I do like having something with E leap because I have found that E leap can do a surprising amount of damage on half armour, it does take some careful charging of course so that the eleaps arent wasted on models the rest of the unit is attacking in melee.

Go to general discussion and there is andrew.galea threat that spoils it. Don't have link right now. You can have elect immune jacks, thead, immune infatry, immune solos, jr, lancer, mechanics it's about it.

See the spoiler I have seen, the video one, doesnt include mechanics in the list, and yet I have also seen mechanics used in lists people have made so I am intrigued on this point.

[paspinall]

I absolutely love siege, but i just can't find a list I like with him.

Honestly, pretty much anything you like works well with Siege.

I have managed very shooty heavy armies, melee heavy armies and combined fire armies, I do like having something with E leap because I have found that E leap can do a surprising amount of damage on half armour, it does take some careful charging of course so that the eleaps arent wasted on models the rest of the unit is attacking in melee.

Go to general discussion and there is andrew.galea threat that spoils it. Don't have link right now. You can have elect immune jacks, thead, immune infatry, immune solos, jr, lancer, mechanics it's about it.

See the spoiler I have seen, the video one, doesnt include mechanics in the list, and yet I have also seen mechanics used in lists people have made so I am intrigued on this point.

[Anurien]

Stormlances were errata-ed...

hang on ... beaten to it.

Damn double posts and crashing website..lousy PC...GARGH!

[bStyker]

So I just purchased & tried out N3mo tonight. I'll post the Battle-report tomorrow under the Battle-Reports thread from Toronto Gamer.

3 Things I need to mention about his debut performance:

1) He's a power-house caster who loves to do the work himself.
2) Reinholt didn't actually do that much for him. Sadly, he rarely got the chance to fire his weapon more than once when it mattered... though he did allow me to save some focus due to not needing to boost his first shot because I knew he had a back-up shot... but then didn't need it.
3) Thunderhead & Finch & N3mo's Feat = 2 Focus for a whole lot of ranged death.

Glad to see that many of us are on the same page here about the man, the myth, the legend -- Steampunk Einstein at his most offensive.

[RuneGrey]

I'm glad to see that people are experimenting with the red headed stepchild of Cygnar's character jacks now that Nemo has ascended to digits of numeration higher than 1 or 2. The Thunderhead under his feat is frightenin. I've been running a very low model count list with Nemo3, a Stormwall, Storm Strider, and the Thunderhead (with 3 Storm Smiths and Arlan for support, then experimenting with the remaining 8 points for what works best, been running the Black 13th + A&H right now) at 50 points. The Thunderhead has actually been an all star in the list as people just can't give him the sort of attention they need to with his Big'Lil Bro looming over his shoulder.

Generally the Stormwall soaks up fire and damage with Failsafe up, and then when the time is right the T-Head pops around a flank and unleashes the pulse on any troops tying him up. If there's a good sized jack in the way, adding Nemo's feat to the mix (generally a good target means most of the opponent's army is in range for the feat) means that the Thunderhead's pulse is doing catastrophic damage to that Jack when combined with the 2 follow up shots. I've nuked almost all the boxes off the Avatar with a feated Thunderhead and good rolls - was impressive to say the least.

[Ikras]

Been trying to put together a list for him thats heavy in the stormlance department but struggling to fit everything else that I want.

Was just wondering if anyone had tried him much at 35 and what their experiences were.

[bStyker]

@Ikras - I just finished posting my first Battle with N3mo in the 35pt Bracket. You can read about it on my blog by clicking my sig, or just clicking here.

@RuneGrey - I totally hear you! That's pretty much the list that I would like to run with N3mo right now. Still waiting for the chance to get a Stormwall, and I'll be picking up the Strider in the near future. In the battle-report I just posted about, you can see the brutality of T-head with 3 focus under N3mo's feat. It's pretty frightening. I can only imagine if it were on a kiss'd target, or a target under Rust Bomb... or both.

... I'd also like to see him with Storm Lances. I feel like you'd have to run Kat with them for the accuracy bonus, but it could be very effective.

[sleet01]

It is very effective cNemo's feat is especially nice for the Storm Lances because A) he can expand his control radius to cover even their ridiculous effective range, B) only the Lances, not their targets, need be within the area of the feat, and C) they get 3 boosted damage rolls each on the Assault. Well, assuming they hit, but still.

[OTee]

It is very effective only the Lances, not their targets, need be within the area of the feat, and C) they get 3 boosted damage rolls each on the Assault. Well, assuming they hit, but still.

Hmmm... Will the Lances have to be in range when firing the feat and keep the effect even if moving away or do they have to be in range at the moment of making the attack to benefit?

I'm playing the old man prefered. And the new incarnation does give me shivers.

When I read the Feat and think about Stormwalls Pods, Fireflies and Stormsmiths I start to giggle. Man, granted it's just the Feat turn, but then even the lousy Firefly gun will do damage, with Finch you cold afford to give it focus and those bugger does avg 24 DMG ... oh.. and the secondary arcing damage is suddenly +3D6.

Chainlightning under Feat... avg 20 DMG and still individually boostable... ARM19 is a high value for infantry?! przzzap... Hmhmmmm... I love the smell of ozone....

N3mo's gun ... under feat, all boosted, rest used for overpower... damn he will on avg shoot 24 POW with RAT 16 on something that was 24' away... on a weakend caster that could mean caster kill by nemo....


So much Nemo, so little time...

[judge_cid]

I have been playing N3mo for several games now. Have been playing him with Thunderhead, 2 Storm Striders and Reinholdt. On feat turn, those models turn really deadly. My LGS is starting to hate me now. Hehe! Though I never run more than 2 heavies with N3mo and dont really see the point of running an arc node to arc chain lightning, when his gun partnered with Reinholdt is almost the same. I still love eNemo just cause I love running a lot of jacks. N3mo is starting to grow on me though.

[Joasht]

I played with him a little, and good gosh that Thunderhead is supremely sexy with him. I feel like, particularly at 35 points (and below), much of his army would center around using the Thunderhead like a pro. For example, in a game I had yesterday against a Legion infantry army (haha, yes....LoE infantry spam) I managed to clear the Thunderhead from melee (side note: extra use of Force Hammer, is to clear the Thunderhead from melee :P) and walk it up to proceed and murder something like 15 models, which included two units of Ogrun; heavy infantry do not like 3D6 damage pulses.

Needless to say, in a good matchup (e.g. the list I faced) its sweet murder. In a single turn literally 90% of his army was dead from the collective awesome of the army and excessively violent lightning. Even POW 10's are a legit threat against almost anything with 3D6 damage.

[Sardonic Artery]

Faced the dreaded N3mo from the other side of the board with Borka. That crispy old man makes lightning what it should be, and with so much of it, he can actually play attrition, too. On the other side of the board, my opponent got the glory of ending a mauler with a charging journeyman warcaster.

There were literally four models left on the table by the time we were done (in a 50-point game). My earthborn found the old man quite overdone, but snacked on him regardless.

[Dark Fledgling]

Now that I've finally got myself the model (and can play games today, chea!!) I find myself thinking, "Self, how often will you ACTUALLY cast chain lighting?" With Finch around your jacks are so efficient it would almost be silly not to put a focus on them each turn, and even with your free upkeep your probably down to 4 or 5 focus. Take into account boosting a shot with your gun (or two with reinholt) and you quickly end up with very little focus remaining. Sure, you might have enough left to launch that chain lighting, but it seems it might just be better to camp what ever is left and, ya know, not die the next turn
The rest of my theory machine shows that N3mo LOVES taking all our eleaping stuff, which is then of course very good against infantry, making it even more likely that you wont end up casting that CL and just letting your army handle it.

So what are have peoples experiences shown? Do you shoot out lots of CL's each turn along with your gun? Or do you simple let your army and gun do the anti infantry and save that focus for camping and powering up your stormclads?
I'm hoping to find out today

-DF

[Joasht]

he can actually play attrition, too.

Silly as it may seem to someone else (or it may not, I don't know...), but I feel like N3mo's playstyle appears to be primarily attrition. Of course, being Cygnar, assassination is never really "off the table" under most circumstances either.

Now that I've finally got myself the model (and can play games today, chea!!) I find myself thinking, "Self, how often will you ACTUALLY cast chain lighting?" With Finch around your jacks are so efficient it would almost be silly not to put a focus on them each turn, and even with your free upkeep your probably down to 4 or 5 focus. Take into account boosting a shot with your gun (or two with reinholt) and you quickly end up with very little focus remaining. Sure, you might have enough left to launch that chain lighting, but it seems it might just be better to camp what ever is left and, ya know, not die the next turn
The rest of my theory machine shows that N3mo LOVES taking all our eleaping stuff, which is then of course very good against infantry, making it even more likely that you wont end up casting that CL and just letting your army handle it.

So what are have peoples experiences shown? Do you shoot out lots of CL's each turn along with your gun? Or do you simple let your army and gun do the anti infantry and save that focus for camping and powering up your stormclads?
I'm hoping to find out today

-DF

N3mo seems to be very focus-starved even with all the focus efficiency going, so I think CL is probably a late-game sort of thing if yuo are playing the attrition playstyle.

This is my logic...even with Finch's free upkeep and focus efficiency, you might want focus to either upkeep the STR buff (i.e. assuming Failsafe is upkept by Finch) and/or bounce it or Electrify around. Also, you might want two focus for your two shots from his gun (assuming Reinholdt), if you deem it necessary. Then, you surely want to give focus to your jacks. All in all, that seven focus evaporates so fast, I suspect he would have issues in scenarios that force you further up field simply because he might be camping nothing/next to nothing, and that old man dies really fast

[Stephan Garmark]

I havent lost him yet and my Nemo is always fresh out of focus apart from one time where he just fired his gun twice and held 7 while junior helped him out with some arcane lovin'. My opponent didnt think Nemo was a frail old man as he stood there in the front lines with ARM 24.
That same game I assassinated my trollblood adversary with Strangewayes... Yes I know, but Strangewayes has been extremely killy after I got Nemo, that spray of his is nasty on feat.
Im also on the bandwagon for no lancer with the old man, there are generally enough stuff to backstrike with the gun and CL that the lancer is quite redundant.

[TerTer]

I havent lost him yet and my Nemo is always fresh out of focus apart from one time where he just fired his gun twice and held 7 while junior helped him out with some arcane lovin'. My opponent didnt think Nemo was a frail old man as he stood there in the front lines with ARM 24.
That same game I assassinated my trollblood adversary with Strangewayes... Yes I know, but Strangewayes has been extremely killy after I got Nemo, that spray of his is nasty on feat.
Im also on the bandwagon for no lancer with the old man, there are generally enough stuff to backstrike with the gun and CL that the lancer is quite redundant.

What pts and what list do you play?

[Stephan Garmark]

That particular game was 35 points.

N3mo
Stormclad
Stormclad
Lancer

Stormblades

Strangewayes
Junior
Reinholdt
Stormsmith

Its a very powerfull list. However I would exchange the lancer for something else, it did well enough but I never really needed its arc node. Maybe a firefly and another stormsmith would be good.

I generally play 50 points though and Ive been running Nemo with a stormwall and a stormclad, but I really like the lightning spam approach so this is the list Ill bring to danish masters (qualified by eCaine)

N3mo
Stormwall
Thunderhead

Stormguard (full)

Strangewayes
Junior
Reinholdt
Rhupert
2x Stormsmith
eEiryss

[Dan from Chicago]

I can't get past the idea that 3mo would rather have 2 stormclads than a stormwall.

[Rolling_Thunder]

I can't imagine playing N3mo without thunderhead. feat+that gun is just so powerful. Not just the pulse, just shooting stuff is still awesome.

[Stephan Garmark]

I can't get past the idea that 3mo would rather have 2 stormclads than a stormwall.

It was a friendly game and I didnt want to just destroy him outright. If Id fielded stormwall he would have lost without a real fight due to his low model count. The stormclads run at 3 focus each for a 2 focus investment its extremely powerful. Almost hordes like efficiency.