N3MO, a force to be reckoned with

[jackbnimble218]

I got N3mo tonight as well. Absolutely loved him! Won 2 lost 1. And I had the most fun on the game I lost. Played against dwarves at 35 pts. Played against the gorten grundback. On feat turn Nemo wreaked havoc! Shot his gun twice from rheinholt, and cast 2 chain lightnings. For a total of 16 pow 10 going everywhere with additional die on damage. And that was just from Nemo! I lost my stormclad so couldn't break gorten's armor and he was ahead in control points so I was left with nothing to break armor 24. But man did I have fun. Don't think I've ever enjoyed losing so much.

Other games force hammer was my most used spell by far. I'm not a siege player so I never knew the value of it. Wow! I initially thought that spell was out of place on him, but after today I'm completely on board with it and just how offensive he is. He is right there with E Stryker in my opinion. Just....wow.

[Nutcase168]

Since I'm behind several firewalls, can someone please pure up a general overview of his tiers please?

[Ender101]

He has a fairly interesting tier list. Lighting War (from muse on minis http://museonminis.com/theme-forces-spoiled-here/).

He can take lancers, non-character warjacks with immunity electricity, and the Thunderhead for jacks. Field Mechaniks and cygnar units with immunity to electricity for units. Journeyman warcaster and cygnar solos with immunity electricity and the Stormstrider.

T1: Stormguard cost 1 point less.
T2: Include Stormwall: Place any number of the storm pods up to 20” from the back edge.
T3: Include 2 or more units, add 2” to deployment.
T4: Add a character warjack with immunity electricity, each warjack begins the game with 1 focus.


Seems like stuff most people will take with Nemo3 anyways, and decent enough benefits to justify bringing it. If you don't have a stormwall though (I can't wait to get one, but must Y~Y), it seems like it'll just be better to go out of tier and bring the gobber along for reloading the lightning gun.

[sleet01]

Even with the Storm Wall it's not a bad idea to go outside the theme list. cNemo is good with everything.

[Defenstrator]

For me Stormwall is the problem requirement. It's not that it's bad with him, I'd just rather load up on Stormclads and Storm Striders instead.

[TKaz84]

If I'm taking those models anyway I'll probably go for the tier, but none of the bonuses are good enough to compel me to do so.

[PG_hockmanm]

I don't dislike the tier. I just think not going tier gives you better options overall . . . . such as my little gobber friend. I'm also in the idea that Striders/Clads are a better option than the Wall . . . but much play testing will confirm or deny this.

[dunce002917]

argh! I have to remind myself that Reinholdt is not an attachment... or is he?

[jr caster]

so is this nemo entering cygnars top tier?

[TKaz84]

argh! I have to remind myself that Reinholdt is not an attachment... or is he?

He is NOT an attachment.

[sleet01]

so is this nemo entering cygnars top tier?

Too soon to say, I think. He definitely pegs the offensive meter, but his defense- and mobility-enhancing capacity is next to nil. I like that he makes almost all of our electrical models better, but I haven't tried him with any of our more common staples. It could be that he runs a Hunter pack better than pHaley, for instance, because he can hand out a ton of focus and still personally excise obnoxious support solos that would otherwise give out ARM buffs. I think he can probably run a pretty effective mostly-'jacks tier list, maybe even better than eNemo. But it's going to take a while to figure that out.

[dunce002917]

He is NOT an attachment.

Aha! so in that note, I could have included Reinholdt and a Squire in my other lists...

[eliassmith27]

He is NOT an attachment.

he should be though

[Stephan Garmark]

Too soon to say, I think. He definitely pegs the offensive meter, but his defense- and mobility-enhancing capacity is next to nil. I like that he makes almost all of our electrical models better, but I haven't tried him with any of our more common staples. It could be that he runs a Hunter pack better than pHaley, for instance, because he can hand out a ton of focus and still personally excise obnoxious support solos that would otherwise give out ARM buffs. I think he can probably run a pretty effective mostly-'jacks tier list, maybe even better than eNemo. But it's going to take a while to figure that out.

So far I run him with Stormwall, Stormclad and a lancer. I really wanted to have another jack in the list (charger could be fun), but it's a lot of points and I always liked a good infantry line to go with my armies. I've run into some problems with him though. Really hard armor is a big one for him. I lost against Terminus tonight. And while I was able to all but obliterate Terminus' army with lighting goodness, I had trouble putting dents in the big guy himself. Pistol Wraiths was a big deal, shooting stormwall and forcing him to forfeit action or move. It meant I could only ever get one big gun shot off Terminus way, since I wasn't able to take out the wraiths early on.
It all ended with a glorious feat where all of Terminus army was ripped apart, but I failed to do anything worthwhile to him. He was at ARM 23, so basically I needed >13 to make dents, and I just couldn't do it even though the old man tried very hard.

Yesterday I played against the new Vlad and a Conquest. We where playing incursion and the middle flag went, so I was basically unable to win because of my low model count and the fact that his infantry was a lot better than mine and rather hard to kill with lightning (Black Dragons). It ended with Vlad going for a flag and a point and me throwing everything at him, leaving him on 1 box, so even though I lost I felt like I could have won. I'd started the turn using 2 focus to enhance my control area, but when I finally took the shots at Vlad, I realized that I was actually within 14" of him, so that was a huge mistake on my part, especially because I couldn't boost the last damage on him ... 1 die more had been the end of poor old Vlad.
I'm not used to the sheer amount of agression Nemo can put on an army, it takes a little getting used to how incredibly dangerous he is to infantry and when paired with Stormwall, it's like the opponent doesn't have any at all. Against Terminus I just held my Stormguard behind my lines, so I was basically running 9 points less than he was, and I still took away his entire army. Had those guys been Stormblades or Ol' Rowdy, I would have likely won the game.

[thebill77718]

*Keep in mind I do not own a Storm Strider*

It seemd to me like threemo works even better with the storm strider than with the storm wall. Given Nemo's new feat I think the utility of having so many lightning attacks gain an additional die, you would almost want them to also get the bonus to hit from the strider. The storm wall does work very well with 3mo, but it does not have enough lightning for my tastes esp during feat turn. I could see a strider and 2 storm towers holding the middle behind a line of storm guard and just wrecking house on feat turn, throwing out tons of boosted pow 10s, with the strider giving the towers a bonus to hit. I am saving up for a strider right now, and have nemo on order from my lgs.

Stormwall AND the Storm Strider. Stormwall drops a lightning pod (DEF 5, electric immune) within 4" of enemy caster and in LOS with Storm Strider. Storm Strider shoots lightning pod (anything but snake eyes), boom!, 10+3d6 leaps on the caster.

[Kooza]

I think i have found the perfect nickname for Legendary/Epic Nemo: "El Nino"

Eh?

Sticks with the lightning/storm theme, plus it sounds almost the same!


edit: wow that is trippy. I typed in "Legendary" before and it appeared when posted as "Epic"

[TheTrueBlue]

I've been running him with two full units of Stormguard and T-head, and the damage output from those guys has just been absolutely massive. In a game I played earlier tonight I was going up against a Vyros tier that had 2 units of Sentinals (with UA's), Banshee, Sphinx, and a Daemon. The right unit of Stormguard fell to the Banshees ranged attack, taking out half the unit. The left Stormguard suffered some casualties, about 3 or 4. He also jammed a pair of Sentinals right in front of the stormguard to prevent them from moving any further up. That changed on the feat turn. Rienholdt gives N3mo another shot, I allocate 2 to T-head (and finch gave him another one). Nemo takes care of the four Sentinals in the way with his shots. T-head moves up, pumps all three shots into the Banshee, dealing about 10-12 pts of damage. Right stormguard charge in, three of them attacking the Banshee and the other two going into the Sentinal unit. They make quick work of the jack, taking out 2 Sentinals behind it. My other two stormguard take out 2 more (Invioable resolve is stupid :P) The left unit of stormguard make quick work of the other sentinal unit, leaving only about 4 guys left.

I played another game that same night against a cryx list with bloodgorgers, and it was pretty much the same thing. Even when their numbers are down, the Stormguard just absolutely rip through infantry swarms on the feat turn. I've played three games with him so far, and he is quickly becoming my new favorite caster. About time Nemo started getting sick of being back all the time and started becoming mid-line!

[John of Arc]

Played him today against Harkevich. I ran Threemo, Stormwall and a Stormstrider versus Black Ivan, a Juggernaut, full demo corp, Koldun Lord and Sylys Wyshnylyr. Some highlights:

-The feat turn was brutal with the Storm Strider. The Demo Corp nearly disappeared entirely to electro leaps, while the Juggernaut took a serious pounding from 4 boosted POW 15's. It would be better in a larger game, but I still got some good use out of it.
-Electrify and a Storm Strider are incredibly frustrating for non-reach jacks to deal with
-The pod is great for screwing with your opponent's movement, but it can get in your own way just as easily. It's also really hard to get rid of one when most of the attacks in your list are lightning damage
-Power Strike is an awesome power attack!
-POW 20 fists are really good, but not the end of the world. Black Ivan was difficult to put down due to DEF 12 and dodge; if I could have locked him in place or had any sort of accuracy boost I could have just spent all my focus on attacks and I probably would have one-rounded him. The Claw is also capable of doing horrendous damage on a crit.
-An armor boost is necessary if you put Stormwall in a position where he'll be taking many attacks. He ended the game at 2 life with Failsafe up. Literally one point less armor would have been a dead colossal, and I'm not confident that Threemo and a Storm Strider could have won against Harkevich even without support.
-Nemo's passive is a huge boon to electro leaps. If I were playing a different caster, in such close quarters, my own models would have eaten a lot of leaps.
-Finch was really good, but I forgot about Arcing Fire and she died to boosted blast damage. Remember that since huge based models can't be moved and they soak up 3-4 inch templates, 90% of the time it's safer to blue yourself to their back than it is to stay a few inches behind them. Due to slams, among other things, this wasn't really the case with large based warjacks.

In the end, it was a much closer game than I expected, and a really fun one. Stormwall was great, and spent most of the game punching things to death. His durability and melee power are what won me the game. The Storm Strider was also really impressive, putting out lots of damage over the course of the game and being pretty difficult to attack. I can't wait for my real one to get here in the mail!

[VOLK]

So which stormnoun are people liking with Nemo?

Stormguard, of course, immediately spring to mind for finally not shocking each other with electro leaps, but given that people are reporting his lists having issues with armor, and seeing as many people have Storm Striders in his lists (and maybe some rangers? why not? plenty of ranged attacks for them to boost, and his passive keeps them from frying), wouldn't Stormblades be a good addition? They would absolutely wreck face on the feat turn, and it will be super sad times for enemy infantry if they clump up. Plus, of course, Stormblades with Nemo3 let you run a Stormclad at full focus for the investment of 1.

[Da-Rock]

The Stormwall is off the charts fun and in 3 games it never had more then 16 damage on it. 3Nemo's offensive abilities are awesome and his spells list plus Finch makes him one of our top casters.

Stormwall assassinated 3 Warlocks in my games today - x2 in melee and Epic Krueger took 16 Damage with one boosted shot from "The Big Gun"! In the last match against Krueger, my opponent had sad face on after I explained Darius' Feat and Full Throttle on the Stormwall

[TerTer]

So which stormnoun are people liking with Nemo?

Stormguard, of course, immediately spring to mind for finally not shocking each other with electro leaps, but given that people are reporting his lists having issues with armor, and seeing as many people have Storm Striders in his lists (and maybe some rangers? why not? plenty of ranged attacks for them to boost, and his passive keeps them from frying), wouldn't Stormblades be a good addition? They would absolutely wreck face on the feat turn, and it will be super sad times for enemy infantry if they clump up. Plus, of course, Stormblades with Nemo3 let you run a Stormclad at full focus for the investment of 1.

If i recall correct nemo3 lets eleaps not target your own guys with immunity elect. So Rangers would still get fried by your leaps.

[Sardonic Artery]

so is this nemo entering cygnars top tier?

Needs to be time proven. Right now, he's new. I think people will learn to bum rush his old man stats soon enough.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me to see people speak of a Cygnar top five (instead of the current top four). I could see him knocking out Siege for top four.

[Dark Fledgling]

Needs to be time proven. Right now, he's new. I think people will learn to bum rush his old man stats soon enough.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me to see people speak of a Cygnar top five (instead of the current top four). I could see him knocking out Siege for top four.

I personally think Siege is our best caster, so would disagree with ya on that last point
Really though, this new version of nemo is just a total change of pace from our normal cygnar lists. Yes we're loosing out on all our usual movement shenanagins but I think he makes up for that with pure focus efficiency and infantry shredding goodness. I think he will end up playing very similar to pKrueger in circle (my other faction) and not just because of all the lightning.
See pKrueger plays a very skewed game for circle, because he has such great anti-infantry abilities (chain lightning and his 3 turn feat) it frees up the rest of his army list to be tooled towards beast heavy anti-armor options. If you apply the same mentality to n3mo, you'll end up with ALOT of heavy hitters in that force. It's for that reason I think blades will make a slight comeback with n3mo. If your taking a stormstrider/stormwall/thunderhead/stormtowers/reinholt you will have so much anti infantry power you wont need to take the Stormguard (although you might want too anyway). Taking the blades also gives you extra focus on your stormclad(s), cause you know you took atleast one. Blades also have quite nice synergy with the n3mos feat and forcehammer knocking stuff down. I knocked down anything suffering an assault from the blades on feat turn will be in for a load of hurt as they get ripped apart by boosted POW 14s.

On that same note, a pair of Stormclads and the Thunderhead look very appealing to me. The ranged power of the three jacks is surprisingly effective, and with very minimal focus investment you can shoot ALOT of lightning from that trio. Since most of our factions lightning attacks are ranged I think it could make a ranged alphastrike a very pleasing thing, especially once you throw in a pair of stormtowers (which will be AMAZING).

Atleast thats my plan. Eradicate the enemies infantry using as few models as possible, and set up the rest for anti-armor duty. Oh boy, I can't wait to get my hands on this dude!
ARG!!! Stupid fathers day ruining my gaming plans....

-DF

[Sardonic Artery]

Siege's problem is that his territory is covered by eCaine (at least in the standard dual defender, ATGM + UA module). Hence why N3mo could take his spot.

[TerTer]

-Electrify and a Storm Strider are incredibly frustrating for non-reach jacks to deal with

Don't see use for electrify and Storm Strider using against non-reach jacks, Storm Strider so or so pushes them 1" away, for reach jacks maybe electrify becomes a problem 1"+1d3

[TerTer]

Somehow i don't see why all talk about, how Nemo3 can deal with infantry. Don't see that Cygnar can't deal with infantry with other casters already. Ok agree his feat deal good with high armor infantry, but so could Siege feat deal with it.
As i agree that he has fun abilities and can have nice force, think that he maybe wants more jacks in his battlegroup to make Finch extra focus to good use What i miss is polarty shield or energizer with him. Yeah he can deal massive dmg on feat, but mostly to infatry, jacks and beats probably will scratch that, or like Stephan Garmark mentiioed to scratch terminus arm23 was a problem. But hopping that i'm wrong and he gets a position in new top5

[TerTer]

Double post.

[Rolling_Thunder]

the thing that makes N3mo awesome, is that he can deal with infantry, AND you can put 3+models with lots of boxes and armor 19+ in play. With JR 2 of those are armor 21 or 22. This means you can deal with all types of models, and it's hard to crack all your armor. He potentially a monster, but I don't believe he's overpowered at all, I'm just excited to have him .

Siege is my favorite "forum discussion" caster, because I absolutely hate the guy at 50 points, I think he's behind over half our other casters at 50, and I think he's right up there as one of the best casters in the game at 35 points.

Simply the number of things that can kill him in 50 points makes it hard for him to be effective. Though I haven't played him since stormwall hit, giving Siege a much more reasonable hiding place.

I always try to point out that different casters are different at differing point values. at 75 Haley2 is unquestionably a super monster, simply because she can be so far away and still affect everything. At 25 or 35 I think she's honestly pretty weak, because she doesn't do enough herself, and her feat doesn't ACTUALLY score points. Like eCaines feat (kill a heavy) or pThagrosh's feat (return a heavy ).

I'll say this as my final thought on N3mo, I'm considering him for WMW invitational. I think he's a monster, truly.

[Defenstrator]

Siege is one the warcasters I'm willing to run min Trenchers with. They fit theme and, more importantly, can make a smoke pocket for him to hide in after he moves up to pop feat.

[Hint of Insanity]

I absolutely love siege, but i just can't find a list I like with him.

[Juggernautie]

My main focus with casters, is who are my top 3 for tournaments. I want to play and love Nemo3. I also love EStryker and Phaley. But there is one little problem in my mind. Who gets to deal with Retribution (MHSF). Every faction seems to be concerned with Stormwall and even Nemo3 except Retribution (in my opinion, looking through the forums).

So is Nemo3 a force to be reckoned with, to me, is he in the top3? I am believing that you will not want to run a Stormwall against Retribution. I believe the MHSF can 1 turn a Stormwall. I plan on running a Stormwall with Nemo3 and Phaley. So can I make EStryker my Retribution answer? Or will I need to drop Nemo3 or EStryker for Siege or ECaine?

[Edwars]

My main focus with casters, is who are my top 3 for tournaments. I want to play and love Nemo3. I also love EStryker and Phaley. But there is one little problem in my mind. Who gets to deal with Retribution (MHSF). Every faction seems to be concerned with Stormwall and even Nemo3 except Retribution (in my opinion, looking through the forums).

So is Nemo3 a force to be reckoned with, to me, is he in the top3? I am believing that you will not want to run a Stormwall against Retribution. I believe the MHSF can 1 turn a Stormwall. I plan on running a Stormwall with Nemo3 and Phaley. So can I make EStryker my Retribution answer? Or will I need to drop Nemo3 or EStryker for Siege or ECaine?

Lightning pod + chain lightning = dead mhsf

[John of Arc]

Not to mention, MHSF are going to have a helluva time one rounding Stormwall. They do an average of 20.5 damage per hit, or 1.5. Even if dice variance brings that up to 3 or 4 damage on average per model, they're still not one rounding Stormwall. They can do better with Snipe from Ravyn, and Ossyan's feat will make them much better at one rounding Stormwall, but mostly they're not going to be able to one round him. That's before you factor in the myriad of ways we have to kill them, including Stormwall's own covering fire who can make it difficult for them to get into range.

[Gollum]

How about N3mo's theme force? I haven't seen it spoiled anywhere (might just be me!) and I wanted to start getting the models together now!

With Finch it almost seems that 3 heavies would be better than 1 heavy plus 'Wall but it's really tough to leave him out!

[dbgoldberg323]

Yeah, I'm really liking N3mo. I built a list and posted it on these forums which got some really kind reviews. At 50 pts it had Stormwall, Stormclad, Storm Strider, Stormblades + UA + 3 Gunners, a Storm Tower and 2 Stormcallers, and supposedly all that fits his tiered list which means +2" to deployment.

I'm certain that better generals will find ways to make him shine, and I'm excited to see him in action (okay well him and the Stormwall lol).

[TerTer]

Go to general discussion and there is andrew.galea threat that spoils it. Don't have link right now. You can have elect immune jacks, thead, immune infatry, immune solos, jr, lancer, mechanics it's about it.

[Stephan Garmark]

How about something like this:

N3MO
Finch
Stormclad
Stormclad
Stormwall

Stormblades

3 x Stormsmith
Arlan
Junior
Reinholdt

Running those jacks for 2 focus a turn is hot. Plenty of fire support from Stormwall is hot, lightning gun and the occational chain lightning is hot on infantry and those two stormclads are just going to pound away at everything the Stormwall sucks in.
Sure, no movement shenanigans, but when you have good armor and plenty of boxes, that shouldn't be such a big problem. I would like a lancer in the list, but I'd rather have that second stormclad though.

[Soundsofascience]

I'm kinda tempted to try a hunter pack with him.

[RedWynd]

Haha! Before the battle, I imagine Nemo3 taking Reinholdt aside and attempting to instruct him in how to reload his gun during battle, with much confusion commencing during the practice run:

"Ground out the who-si-whats-it, THEN switch on the charging what-cha-ma-call-it? Is it this lever? Or this one? What's this blinking light..?! ..-Ow! It shocked me!"

[PG_Dawnlord Ed]

I'm sorry to say this, but Nemo3 is no more frightening to Ret than anyone else. I've been playing him almost exclusively since my ninja arrived from L&L. More elves die than before, this is true. But the fundamentals are the same: Ret kills jacks and Stormwall is a big jack. And, if the opportunity presents, Nemo3 is still an old man. He's only slightly harder to kill than before (yay ARM 16).

He's good. He's a ton of fun. Finch is amazing! His feat is just...So. Many. Dice. But he's not the answer to Retribution.