What caster would you take?

[anshard21]

There is a tourny coming up at my LGS and it is called a "traitor tournament" This means we can take any warcaster from any warmachine faction and it becomes a friendly faction caster.

My question is who would you take and why? also what kind of list?

[Stuh42l]

Severius.... I mean really? If he is friendly faction, now all your mercs have decent stats with Eye of Mercdom up.

[Robert Shepherd]

A few thoughts...

Karchev with nomad spam
eNemo with nomad spam
pIrusk with a general infantry mix
pSkarre with lots of steelheads and maybe a couple nomads
pSeverius with a general infantry mix, Rocinante and maybe a couple nomads

[Ger]

How that'd interact with mercs is confusing to me. What's the rules on contracts in that tourny?

P Denny + Wyshnyllar would be pretty funny.

...I'm having trouble thinking of any really fun combos....mercs have the issue of well, a lot of our stuff being usable by everyone else anyway. So our Casters become our biggest feature.

[CareyBear]

Shae in Cryx could be a bit broken.. Just a bit...

[Rustoof]

Ok, this is a simple question.

What are mercs strong in? The answer: Units/solos

Now what casters support solos? Vlad2? Macbain? Not exactly top tier

Now, take terminus with steelheads, dengrah with pirates, eHaley with forgeguard, etc... obviously units are what you should build for.

So in that case we want to help our best unit. What is our best unit?

Gunmages, Boomhowlers, Nyss, Kayazy, or pirate ball.

Now assuming the choices are "Take one caster and your chosen faction" Then i think the pirate ball is the strongest. It has no real weakness's (except solo sniping) and is potentially more dangerous than even maxed nyss, (given support). So if you were to choose a caster and try to max things the pirates are a good place to start.

Now pirates want denegra one.

The reasons should be obvious. If they aren't go play her. The size of the pirate ball means that it is very easy to get a feat turn that anihilates the enemy army, even if they alpha strike and take out your stuff.

Now the other top tier casters in the game (in no particular order) eGaspy (needs banes, ergo not mercs), eDenny (very solid with ranged troops, but lacks damage output gainst high armor), eHaley (without a stormclad eHaley aint shiiiit) etc....

PDenny is faction blind and runs Mercs like a boss

[Robert Shepherd]

Terminus with Steelheads isn't actually good. Without any undead models to sac pawn off, he'll get shot to death. And he's an abomination, and they're not fearless.

I thought about pDenny pirates but we don't have node warjacks that she can take, which she really wants. Plus Cryx already runs that army.

[DocMerc]

I would still take damiano ashlyn or magnus. For a tournament I would want someone I am familiar with

[Rustoof]

Robert; you're right about the arc nodes. I didn't think of that. Who do you think would be good?

Given the arcnode thing, i think psevvy might not be so hot. Perhaps pirusk?

[Robert Shepherd]

Robert; you're right about the arc nodes. I didn't think of that. Who do you think would be good?

Given the arcnode thing, i think psevvy might not be so hot. Perhaps pirusk?

Actually pSevvy is fine with no nodes. Upkeeping and running a bunch of solid warjacks is a perfectly fine way to play him, and many Protectorate players go that route. And with Wishnailer he's got a bit of extra range to recast spells like Vision and a free upkeep on Eye of God.

I'd probably go something like Rocinante, Nomad, Nomad, maybe dropping a nomad for one more ranged heavy of choice if you wanted. Run him in Highborn and Defenders Ward Nyss, or Four Star and Defenders Ward Kayazy. Throw in a bunch of halberdiers behind that and a bit of support and you really can't go wrong.

Hypothetical list:
Grand Mercenary Scrutator Severius
- Nomad
- Nomad
- Rocinante
- Syllys
10 Halberdiers
10 Halberdiers
10 Kayazy + UA
eEiryss
Gorman
Rhupert
Kayazy Eliminators


Addendum: Vision on Eiryss or Gorman is also kind of good.

[MagnustheJust]

Harkevich with a mix of Mariners and Mules, and Dougal of course!!

[Robert Shepherd]

Harkevich with a mix of Mariners and Mules, and Dougal of course!!

Why would... that's worse than Bart! And sans Galleon, Bart's one of our worst warcasters.

[Weezinggg]

Idk what we would take.....but itd watch out for zerkova in any army with cheap arcnodes

[Robert Shepherd]

Idk what we would take.....but itd watch out for zerkova in any army with cheap arcnodes

I'm pretty sure Zerkova with bonejacks would still be worse than every single other Cryx warcaster.

[MagnustheJust]

Why would... that's worse than Bart! And sans Galleon, Bart's one of our worst warcasters.

Silly Mercenary... Madness & distractions are two of my best weapons!!

I field the lists that shouldn't work and make them dance!!

[anshard21]

Just had a brilliant idea! The cannon with Epic Irusk and fire for effect.(boosted attack and damage rolls)

[Robert Shepherd]

Just had a brilliant idea! The cannon with Epic Irusk and fire for effect.(boosted attack and damage rolls)

The Commodore can specifically only be taken in armies that include Shae.

[Weezinggg]

I think the main thing keeping zerkova down now is the lack of an arcnode.

i think eButcher would do pretty nicely with some manglers

[Tossy]

Can this be done for Hordes too.... eDoomie and legion. *shudders*

[Choco]

Ashlynn in another faction with arc nodes and stuff to really take advantage of her feat?

[Ger]

Yeah I can think of other factions that'd love to steal our Casters. But nothing really strong in the other direction....hmm...

Maybe Kara Sloan? *pulls up spell list* yup I'd use her. She's got some solid synergy with the jacks we do have. Buccaneers with return fire are an amusing thought for example. Fire group with Rovers, Mariners, Mules, and Buccaneers.

We have plenty of infantry that work well with dead eye or are self supporting. So I think you could make a list with her that'd really work. Anyway cygnar players tend to dislike her from what I remember and using stuff Swans throw out to great extent is a time honored merc tradition.

[Thamarite Merc]

What mercs do have are cheap jacks without a caster, that can really run a ton of them. So maybe Morty, Darius, or Amon ad Raza with a max unit of Nomads could be worth a try.

[moddball]

P-Striker with steelhead spam would be nice. Butcher looks good Iron flesh and the piper good with Nomad spam and some high DEF options.

If I was a faction player I would look to Shae.

[MagnustheJust]

What mercs do have are cheap jacks without a caster, that can really run a ton of them. So maybe Morty, Darius, or Amon ad Raza with a max unit of Nomads could be worth a try.

Whaaaaa.... ???

[Robert Shepherd]

If I was a faction player I would look to Shae.

The idea of a Khador player dropping a Shae list with Max Kayazy with UA, two units of Eliminators, the Great Bears, Fenris (with Storm Rager) and sundry, is kind of terrifying.

[anshard21]

well that is actually what i play is Khador. However fenris can't be targeted by spells. I didnt look at shae but i may have to.

[Thamarite Merc]

min unit= 3 Nomads, max unit= 5 Nomads, UA= 1 Mangler...

[MagnustheJust]

min unit= 3 Nomads, max unit= 5 Nomads, UA= 1 Mangler...

Have you been priming in your bedroom... again???

[Robert Shepherd]

well that is actually what i play is Khador. However fenris can't be targeted by spells. I didnt look at shae but i may have to.

You're right.

Drakhun or Great Bear with Storm Rager, then.

[moorg]

Old Witch!

A second Merc with a Node, hell yeah.

[CareyBear]

Mmmmm... SoG Behemoth.. Redlined Berserker.. Primed Kayazy..

Durgen is a closet imperialist.

[Coinlord]

Darius. Darius with nomad / mangler spam... yeah, that's juicy.

[MagnustheJust]

Mmmmm... SoG Behemoth.. Redlined Berserker.. Primed Kayazy..

Durgen is a closet imperialist.

Umm... Sog is Gorten, not Durgen. Red Line is the Durgen one...