Auto Hit vs out of RNG

[TheNoob]

I have a question about how auto hits interacts with the RNG of the attack.

For example, if eKrueger uses his ranged attack that has sustained attack and hits. Then he pops his feat and moves the model out of range of this attack, if he were to then buy another attack with the sustained attack rule does it hit or miss?

basically the question is, does auto hit overrule range requirements? or do hits need to fulfill the other requirements to benefit from the auto hitting?

[Bunny de Guerre]

I don't think it does - on the order of resolving an attack, you check for range and it if's out of range, the shot is automatically a miss and you don't go on to the step where you check if there's an effect that'd cause it to automatically hit.

It's pretty well explained in the rulebook appendix on timings, page 245 of Prime mk2.

[solkan]

In addition to that, the target model has to be in melee range in order to even declare the attack against it. The permission to declare attacks is:

A melee attack can be made against any target in the melee range of the weapon being used an in the attacker's line of sight.

So, when Krueger moves out of melee range, it becomes impossible to even declare the attack against that model.

Edit for benefit of future readers: For some reason I thought that this was talking about making a melee attack.

[Grimz]

I think he's talking about the lightning bolt ranged abillity of his weapon which has range 10.

But I would say the second poster would be correct in this case:
1. Check for range
2. Roll to hit or in this case auto hit with sustained attack.
3. Roll to damage

Therefor step 2 would never come as the attack would fail at the range checking part.

[pRophaniti1978]

I think the main problem occurs with the way out of range is worded. Out of range states 'automatically misses'. It's stated elsewhere that 'automatically hits' overrules auto-miss. So as currently written you can target anything within LOS for a ranged attack, if the target is further away than the RNG of the weapon then the attack auto-misses, if your weapon will auto hit the target then you could theoretically make unlimited range attacks.

[pRophaniti1978]

Upon further investigation, this is resolved in the attack main sequence appendix (Prime MkII p245). Out of range takes effect at step 4, this then sends you direct to step 7 passing by step 5 which is where the auto hit part comes into play.

So out of RNG= a miss regardless of auto hit abilities.

[Valander]

Upon further investigation, this is resolved in the attack main sequence appendix (Prime MkII p245). Out of range takes effect at step 4, this then sends you direct to step 7 passing by step 5 which is where the auto hit part comes into play.

So out of RNG= a miss regardless of auto hit abilities.

correct answer.

[TheNoob]

Upon further investigation, this is resolved in the attack main sequence appendix (Prime MkII p245). Out of range takes effect at step 4, this then sends you direct to step 7 passing by step 5 which is where the auto hit part comes into play.

So out of RNG= a miss regardless of auto hit abilities.

correct answer.

Perfect thanks