developing my Butcher army

[philipcryx]

Recently i picked up pButcher and love his play style and had TONS of fun playing him and getting eButcher soonish.


Since most of my games are played at the 15-25 point level (not a list discussion). I would consider myself a beginner so games can take some time and scenarios are not often played but i am going to start playing them soon, like next few weeks..getting off topic.

for awhile i was thinking theme force but since i love both butchers going theme for both is going to put a strain on my wallet, more so than this awesome hobby has already LOL..

I have a few options i cant seem to decide on for first purchase development, I am thinking Beast-09 since going theme is out of the question for both BUT i am also leaning towards Kodiak since its a great jack and if i want to go theme i still can...i can get tier 2 with purchase of a Manhunter....

So i guess my LONG winded question is character jack or pButcher theme force unit/jacks...MoW bombardiers on paper seem preety nasty

[Deadman]

pButchers tier list is pretty darn good IMO. I'd recommend getting a Kodiak and cast butcher's Fury spell on it. (pow 19 fists ) And bombardiers are fun with Orsus' feat.

[HeadHunter]

When I have the $200 to spare, I'm planning on doing a 35 point eButcher list with a Berserker (or Juggernaut), War Dog, 3 Doom Reaver units with Greylord Escorts, Fenris, 2 Manhunters and Yuri. should be a lot of gratuitous bloodshed to be had.

[Wisible]

I'm shocked that there have not already been a dozen "MOW Bombardiers suck" posts by now. Well good...

Anyway, pButcher is just plain fun! Try him with Torch. It's fantastic bloody charred fun!

[philipcryx]

I'm shocked that there have not already been a dozen "MOW Bombardiers suck" posts by now. Well good...

Anyway, pButcher is just plain fun! Try him with Torch. It's fantastic bloody charred fun!

Honestly after i posted MoW Bombardiers...i felt like deleting it because of the fear of the mass "MoW SUCK!!!!" posts...i like them so thats that..

I think you guys have help a bit with my thought process...also if i get $300 magically a 35 eButcher tier list would be in my future

[HeadHunter]

I hope it's not against some rule to say so, but I buy most of my Warmachine stuff from Miniatures Market. It's 30% off retail. I still believe in supporting my local game store, of course, but for large purchases like a new army, it can mean saving a lot of money.

[jdeckert]

I'd go with Beast 09. He's a great choice with either version of Butcher. I mean, he's a great choice in general, but give him some combination of 2-3 focus, fury, feat and full throttle and pretty much anything is dead. Or give him free charges and +2 SPD and MAT with Butcher and enjoy his 20" of non-linear threat under the feat.

[samytheth]

even if you re not going to go teir consider picking up a unit of doomreaver and fenris they are both nasty under both P and E feat and are plan fun to play. aslo consider a good target for your great buffs kayzzy or iron fangs are a good call. IF on bith of them will keep them alive then on charge turn fury on them and charge in

[PG_ThatRickGuy]

pButcher + Kayazy is my auto win list

Kayazy can run, then have IF cast on them, to make them niegh unhittable, untill they can run/charge the enemy.
The turn after that (or whenever your opponent gets their caster within 9.5" of 2+ Kayazy), you go with pButcher, cast Fury on the Kayazy, pop feat, then have the Kayazy pop mini-feat, charge through your opponent's front line, and get 2 or more MAT 9 charging POW 15 weapon masters.

Even if your opponent survives that massively horrendous charge, they'll still have 2+ Kayazy pinning them in place on their next turn.

For jacks, I usually take Beast-09. he runs for free, leaving Butcher plenty to camp while casting IF each turn. And if the Kayazy come up dry, Butcher can get him the free charge and boosted attack rolls, leaving Beast-09 plenty of focus to go to town on anything that needs to be killed with a crit-freeze axe

-Rick

[philipcryx]

So Kayazy assassins and beast-09...seems like a very nice combo...

I have Doom Reavers and Fernis is on my "To buy list"

[scout's honor]

pButchers tier list is pretty darn good IMO. I'd recommend getting a Kodiak and cast butcher's Fury spell on it. (pow 19 fists ) And bombardiers are fun with Orsus' feat.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'd say it's decent at best. You can put Fury on any jack you want and any decent infantry benefits from the feat. More specifically the models you should take and get benefits for - MoW and Manhunters - are not really the best with regards to synergy with the Butcher (with IF and Fury you want a) units, not warrior solos, that b) have a good body count and c) can abuse IF) and the speed issue you have with MoW is not really solved by the tier benefit.

I'm not saying it's a terrible theme force or that it shouldn't be played, but objectively speaking the benefits don't outweigh the restrictions.

[MediumYellow]

If you are going to play the theme force I would suggest using Democorps primarily as they are the best Man-O-Wars from what I have gathered. I am guessing you already have shocktroopers.

Maybe something like this at 50 points. This is taking in mind that you want to play the most "butchery" list, not necessarily the most competitive list. I am sure you could optimize it more. I suggest a kodiak because they are boss, and bezerkers because they are efficient and cheap. The wardog is good for butcher and thematic. Man-O-Wars because you want to play them. Manhunters and yuri because they are just good models, The Drakhun is also just good. Widowmakers and marksman are also just excellent. You would basically be taking a lot of guys who are independently awesome, and then would be playing butcher as a super solo near the end of the game with Iron Flesh on the butcher and fury on whatever you want to do tons of damage.

The Butcher of Khardov
Berserker 6
Berserker 6
Kodiak 8
War dog 1
Man-o-war Demolition Corps (Leader and 4 Grunts) 9
Man-o-war Shocktroopers (Leader and 4 Grunts) 8
Widowmakers (Leader and 3 Grunts) 4
Man-o-war Drakhun (with dismount) 5
Manhunter 2
Manhunter 2
Widowmaker Marksman2
Yuri the Axe 3

[Wisible]

Honestly after i posted MoW Bombardiers...i felt like deleting it because of the fear of the mass "MoW SUCK!!!!" posts...i like them so thats that..

I like them too, actually.

Run a min unit of them behind a max unit of MOW Shocktroopers. Arching fire is so awesome. Kayazy assassins work well with pButcher too provided you always take the Underboss. Without him you're wasting the entire unit's endgame potential.

I'd respectfully disagree in re: Beast-09. I know EVERYBODY seems to think it's the best jack in the game, blah blah. But 11 points for a single jack with no ranged weapons is not worth it. For one point less you get a Spriggan (more uses) and for two points more you get a Behemoth (better jack in every regard).

When I run pButcher I tend to go cheap jack heavy anyway, like a Jugger, a Kodiak and Berserker. Focus efficient with full throttle and with multiple attacks. But Behemoth is a great choice for him too. Perfect Fury target.

Hope all this helps! Best of luck!

[Wisible]

I hope it's not against some rule to say so, but I buy most of my Warmachine stuff from Miniatures Market. It's 30% off retail. I still believe in supporting my local game store, of course, but for large purchases like a new army, it can mean saving a lot of money.

With all due respect to PP...custom mod your own minis for Warmachine if you're not interested in tournaments and are just playing with your buddies. That's what I did. It saved me a ton of money and I have almost the entire faction plus some random mercs. Warhammer minis found on eBay = HUGE savings. I only have handful of PP models (Irusk, Butcher, eVlad, some 'jacks). Hell, my buddy and I made Great Bears out of Chaos Mauraders and green stuff and they look BETTER quite frankly (no risible-sized shoulder pads). Spare bitz from various war games and minis from other games that are WAY cheaper can really help you, and then just fork over 50 cents apiece for the cards as needed.

[Wisible]

10 characters.

[jdeckert]

I'd respectfully disagree in re: Beast-09. I know EVERYBODY seems to think it's the best jack in the game, blah blah. But 11 points for a single jack with no ranged weapons is not worth it. For one point less you get a Spriggan (more uses) and for two points more you get a Behemoth (better jack in every regard).

Ranged weapons are nice on a 'jack for pButcher since he doesn't have any speed buffs. That said, a heavy certainly doesn't need ranged attacks to be valuable. I mean, even the spriggan doesn't really have ranged weapons, and it's a great jack. With our RAT, I find that our ranged weapons don't often do more than clear some infantry or put a ding in a heavy on its way in. And with a 3" AOE, they aren't even very good at the former. If you're already going to be running bombardiers, a couple extra bombards isn't going to be that big of a deal.

As for Behemoth being better, I have to disagree again. Behemoth is great and all, but Beast's higher MAT is a big deal. Factor that in with being much harder hitting against small bases and his imprint, and Beast is significantly better at killing casters, almost as good at cracking ARM, and with thresher can even clear infantry in a pinch.

So Behemoth and Spriggan are both great choices, but I disagree that Beast is "not worth" his points or that Behemoth is the "better jack in every regard."

[philipcryx]

great info and help guys but i think it has also raised more questions also...HA-HA.

I love the sound of Kodiak POW 19 fists, seem gross hahaha