Tiberion Vs Molik Khan

[Feren]

Hi all. For starters I'm still rather new in Skorne in general. I love both these modules to death. Tiberion is a fantastic warbeast. *shivers* God I just love his animus so much. We all know Molik Khan well ..... insane. I don't know which one I'll pick first. Any thoughts or advice?

[Talamare]

Honestly its a question of Speed vs Power

[atis52]

Molik Karn, as Tiberion isn't available till July

[sourclams]

Do you need to kill something that you can get to easily or do you need to get to something that you can kill easily?

/zen

[Sanctjud]

Both of course...and a Glad, and a Bronzeback, the new Trini--Quadinity!!!

[Feren]

Both of course...and a Glad, and a Bronzeback, the new Trini--Quadinity!!!

That is very expensive in point wise. Molik Khan 11 pts + Glad 8 pts + Bronzeback 10 pts + Tiberion pts 11 = 40 points

What be kinda funny to cast Bump on Molik Khan or Bronzeback.

[Raktra]

Personally I'd go for Tiberion, but I'm not even going to pretend to be doing it out of tactical insight and admit to despising Molik Karn.

[x3tsniper]

Supreme Archdomina Makeda 5
Cyclops Shaman 5
Tiberion 11
Bronzeback Titan 10
Titan Gladiator 8
Molik Karn 11
Extoller Soulward 2
Void Spirit 2
Void Spirit 2
Marketh 3
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew 1


So much win you don't even need pain givers!

[PG_petegrrrr]

Rasheth +5
Tiberion 11
Sentry 9
Sentry 9
Gladiator 8
Agonizer 2
Gatormen Full 9
Task master 2
Beast handlers 3
Extoller Soulward 2


Invincible Titan wedge of locker doom!

[Kræhe]

Why two Void Spirits and not one and 4 Paingivers?

[x3tsniper]

Because Void Spirits are the best thing ever sir! I would probably drop the Shaman for a full unit and bring another Extoller in reality. =/ Will only get 2 rushes out of that unfortunately.

[hamsandwich50]

If you play a lot of scenario then Tiberion could be real helpful for his ability to park into a zone and be unmovable and hard to kill. Molik Karn is going to be targeted fast if your opponent know what he does but he can't always handle the attention whereas tiberion could stand a better chance.

[Darque]

I'm really going to enjoy his immovability and eHexy's Vampiric Harvest.

It's going to play havoc with infantry spam.

[jettzypher]

i dont think this was mentioned so i just want to say something... hes molik karn, not khan... >.>


ot: they both fill very different roles. i cant wait to get tiberion though. karn is sweet, but i really get tired of the groans when people see him on the board. hes also pretty squishy so if you mess up somewhere he dies next turn.

[x3tsniper]

i dont think this was mentioned so i just want to say something... hes molik karn, not khan... >.>


ot: they both fill very different roles. i cant wait to get tiberion though. karn is sweet, but i really get tired of the groans when people see him on the board. hes also pretty squishy so if you mess up somewhere he dies next turn.

You will hear the groans no matter what. People will always have a model they complain about. I have people ***** about half my army when I play Khador, and I have people ***** about eMakeda even when I don't bring Molik Karn(double bronzebacks ). I had a friend stand one of them up, so I can tell the difference. It also looks way cooler.

[jettzypher]

i agree, but the groans are much more audible when they stare down karn as opposed to any other combination.

[Invaderzahn]

I think its a question of unstoppable force or immovable object.

[Ranhothep]

I'm pretty sure the Tiberion groans will outgroan Molik's very soon

[x3tsniper]

I'm pretty sure the Tiberion groans will outgroan Molik's very soon

eMakeda can send him 11" plus reach, at p&s 20, and be much harder to remove. Not the length of molik karn, but the pow 20 aspect will easily put you over on damage 2/3 of the time.

Not to mention, this one here is big, we got a model with the rules of the colossals/gargantuans as far as movement goes, for 11 points, and he has more armor and he doesn't lose the shield ever. He is one sick model.

[Sygerrik]

Tiberion is going to be just insane in tournaments. Put him on the objective, he will never, ever leave it. Drop his animus on him and he's not going to die either, especially if you're playing Xerxis and toss DW/Krea animus/both on him.

[Scottl1]

Eh hide an agonizer behind him and then good luck killin him with melee lol.

[Sanctjud]

I dunno, 2 Gorgers and a Raider Captain made short work of Tibby with pSkarre feating
I would hazard... don't expect him to survive anything. You still need to be cautious with him, that, and his durability will make him a PITA, but I've seen him recklessly thrown upfront and it doesn't turn out very good for him most of the time. :-/

[Feren]

I dunno, 2 Gorgers and a Raider Captain made short work of Tibby with pSkarre feating
I would hazard... don't expect him to survive anything. You still need to be cautious with him, that, and his durability will make him a PITA, but I've seen him recklessly thrown upfront and it doesn't turn out very good for him most of the time. :-/

Same with Banes they can make short work out of Tiberion by himself without support. At armor 23 with DW armor 25 with xexris feat Cannoneer animus 27 effectively. I got two words Good Luck.

[Sanctjud]

Banes would be ps 16, shroud makes Tibby ARM 25, making it minus 9, for roughly 6 points per bane, but there is a lot invested in that ultra durable Tibby....and like I said, you balance things out. What I was cautioning against was using him unsupported, your example is a supported Tibby.

Also, when did banes get into the discussion?

[x3tsniper]

Banes would be ps 16, shroud makes Tibby ARM 25, making it minus 9, for roughly 6 points per bane, but there is a lot invested in that ultra durable Tibby....and like I said, you balance things out. What I was cautioning against was using him unsupported, your example is a supported Tibby.

Also, when did banes get into the discussion?

That is why god didn't give banes reach.

[PG_petegrrrr]

Banes would be ps 16, shroud makes Tibby ARM 25, making it minus 9, for roughly 6 points per bane, but there is a lot invested in that ultra durable Tibby....and like I said, you balance things out. What I was cautioning against was using him unsupported, your example is a supported Tibby.

Also, when did banes get into the discussion?

Your math is just a bit off.

pow 16 vs arm 25 at 4 dice is about 4 damage (the average of 4 dice is 13, give or take)

Without reach, you are probably only getting 4 of them in there, and 16 damage on average leaves him with half his life.

The same cannot be said for what he will do to the banes next turn

[Feren]

That is why god didn't give banes reach.

Bane knights??

[Lalnuir]

Bane knights??

Don't have shroud. . . unless you bring rag man along.

[lifelesspoet]

Your math is just a bit off.

pow 16 vs arm 25 at 4 dice is about 4 damage (the average of 4 dice is 13, give or take)

Its actually 14, you were both wrong. To give you the benefit of the doubt however you did say 'give or take'.

[Centa]

@PG_petegrrrr:
Your math is just a bit off too.

The averange of 4d6 is 14 (3,5 per dice = 14)

Edit: too slow

[x3tsniper]

Sorry, I just almost never see bane knights. Those guys love them some dark shroud. Ragman can't keep up with anything except slow jacks or huge colossals and still do his *action. I predict he will be great with the kraken. Other than that I have run him maybe twice in Khador. Beast 09 doesn't really notice the difference between pow 19 and pow 21.

[dboeren]

Tiberion over Karn every time. Titans rule. The real question for me is probably more like Tiberion vs. Bronzeback.

[Ranhothep]

If we're talking DW on Tiberion, Banes start missing allmost half their attacks, unless you wanna count in Taratarus, but then I raise you a Cyclops Raider!

I personally prefer Tiberion in a Zaal list. You have an armor boost to make him insane, you have a ton of infantry to spam around him and you can offer your opponent a pick of what's gonna kill him: 1,Tibbs 2,Hakaar 3,Kovaas 4,Gladiator 5,random Last Standed infantry dude GLHF

[hamsandwich50]

I love playing that game with Zaal, watch as your opponent kills you whole infantry front line and play it super cas then next turn pop feat and let there caster/lock deal with Hakaar with 3 souls and all the rage tokens he needs.

[Beckman]

Tiberion. Molik Karn used to be the best beast in the game... but he got clubbed in the head like a baby seal by the immovable unfairness that is Tibby. I'm astounded that Tibby got through playtesting. He's stupid hilarious.

[theHman]

FYI - Bane thralls are PS 11 (effectively 13 thx to Dark Shroud).

Personally I don't care much for Molik.
He's really 'meh' for me.
At 11 pts, just too much of a pts investment that can be easily taken out.
Same goes for Tibby.

I don't like high pts costed models. Too big of an egg that can be broken easily.
But hey, that's just me.

[GaspysInhaler]

I have to go with Tiberion as well. And this isn't just me glowing over the "shiny new toy". He is incredible, and easily the best beast in the faction now. I've always been of the opinion that reach is the most important ability a heavy can have, especially for SPD 4 titans. He combines accuracy (MAT 7), strength (high PS), durability (shield, hp's), and several other abilities that make him a tremendous beast.

I really don't field MK nearly as much as I used to. He just seems so fragile, opponents key on him all the time, and the 2 nerfs against side-step have hurt him significantly. The nerf to side-stepping off of friendly models was needed....but I still feel the one that stopped trample side-steps was unnecessary. I have never liked his animus (Lightning Strike is so much better, thankfully we have it now). I look forward to fielding both Tiberion and MK in future tournaments....but Tiberion is clearly the top choice right now, particularly in scenario play. I love him to death.

[Ranhothep]

I'm astounded that Tibby got through playtesting. He's stupid hilarious.

This! I allmost feel guilty sometimes about using him...

[BakerGaspy]

I agree with the Tiberion vs BB as a better question... which I do not know the answer to.

[Kræhe]

I do not know why but neither Karn nor Tiby have ever done as much as a bronze back in any of my games...