Iron fang kovnik speculation

[<Archangel>]

So i don't know about ya'll but i would kiss the man[in true russian fashion] who writes the rules for the kovnik and gives him
Joe's speeches the would be completely unadulterated frickin' awesome if that is all he did then we could really give that new pButcher theme list a go
Fury+bears strength=pow 19 reach weapons on small base infantry would be hilarious but thats just wishful thinking i guess.

[Frege]

Has it been confirmed that it'll buff IFP. The MoW Kovnik only gives FA bonus to MoW... no ingame benefits.

I hope he gives them some sort of accuracy boost tbh; maybe a SnP for them or somethign. That is what IFP need.

[Tico Love]

Personally, I think anything he gives them at all would be great. I love my IFP. They are the most dependable unit in my lists. I understand that they are not as squirmy as Kayazy Assassins or as Flexible as Winter Guard Infantry or as hard hitting as Doom Reavers, but they are a solid unit. Any benefit at all would be more than I need. Even if all he does is increase their FA, I'll take it. I'll take it with a huge smile on my face. I was disappointed that Vlad 3's tier did not allow an FA increase on IFP. But if they put it on the Kovnik, then I can run 30 IFP with any of my casters! ::Squeeee:::

[John of Arc]

It doesn't have to be anything too fancy, but I would like him to buff them. Maybe desperate pace, or veteran leader? I'd love an accuracy boost, but I don't know if that's what we'll get. I'm hoping he's basically a mini great bear with minor buffs for IFP, but someone I'd be able to take on his own anyway because he's awesome.

[PG_The Captain]

Elite cadre [Iron fang pikemen]: Powerful charge would be massively good. Not sure if Santa thinks I've been good enough to get something that awesome.

I'd also take a copy-paste Alain Runewood any day.

Another vanilla beatstick solo would be quite redundant in our faction, so I'm hoping for something to buff IFP a little. Even a little.

[OrsusSmash]

Has it been confirmed that it'll buff IFP. The MoW Kovnik only gives FA bonus to MoW... no ingame benefits.

All anyone knows for sure about the Iron Fang Kovnik is that it's an Iron Fang solo.

We don't even know for sure if it's a normal solo or a character solo. Odds are pretty good that it'll do something with IFP, even indirectly (similar to how Runewood has general buffs that happen to work well on IFP.)

The Kovnik is an aberration of design, and shouldn't be mentioned in any sensible discussion.

Elite cadre [Iron fang pikemen]: Powerful charge would be massively good. Not sure if Santa thinks I've been good enough to get something that awesome.

I'd also take a copy-paste Alain Runewood any day.

Another vanilla beatstick solo would be quite redundant in our faction, so I'm hoping for something to buff IFP a little. Even a little.

Agreed, on all counts. In particular, Runewood's buff that essentially gives a unit Powerful Charge would be flat out amazing in Khador (and would be a great boon for IFP.)

I'm definitely hoping for something more generally useful like Runewood, where it's a model I'd potentially take outside of lists with Iron Fang units, but there's also plenty of incentive to bring the two together.

I remember from the Lock & Load panel that one of the PP staffers said the Kovnik model was back at HQ, so hopefully it won't be too terribly much longer before we see more about this guy. I'm very excited for the possibilities.

[Wisible]

So i don't know about ya'll but i would kiss the man[in true russian fashion] who writes the rules for the kovnik and gives him
Joe's speeches the would be completely unadulterated frickin' awesome

If it is anything close to Joe I'd soil myself. I LOVE my IFP's! If that's what does in fact happen, I can already hear the collective *****ing from players of the other factions: "KHADOR'S BROKEN! WAAAAAAHHH!"

I'm not counting on it, though. I'd be happy with a MAT buff and +2 movement or something.

Do any solos in Warmachine have mini-feats?

[OrsusSmash]

Do any solos in Warmachine have mini-feats?

Actually, yes: Dougal MacNaile has "Double Powder Rations", which is a mini feat that affects everything in his CMD. It's extremely good.

[Marth]

Tactician [IFP] and Veteran Leader would be great, even if all else he had was +1 MAT, CMD 9, Commander, *Backswing. 2 Points, nice package, ready to roll. I'd pay 3 if he got Jack Marshal and the Pronto-Drive.

If the MoW Kovnik just was like that...

[PG_ThatRickGuy]

I'd pay 3 if he grants tough

-Rick

[Esper]

Reform on IFP would be amazing.

[OrsusSmash]

Reform on IFP would be amazing.

Reform on Iron Fangs in general would be amazing. It's my hope for an Elite Cadre on this guy.

[profparm]

What about immunity to blast damage (even if as one of 3 *actions, like Joe). Make it easier to stay in Shield Wall against lists that are anti-infantry.

[x3tsniper]

Immune to blast damage isn't that useful for us. So many blast effects from enemies have extra effects on them. Mainly fire. Not saying it is worthless, but not as useful as someone having it against us.

Critical Devastation is the only thing we have to get around it.

[quindraco]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm feeling unwarrantedly pessimistic about this guy. I get the feeling he'll be saddled with Saxon Orrick's downsides - i.e. his effect or effects will be RNG 5 *actions, not RND cmd bardic effects. That said, I suspect he'll have 2 or 3 effects to choose from, ideally including a MAT buff.

[x3tsniper]

I would love it if he got battle plans. Free stand ups would make all the tough we have access to way more desirable. Doom Reavers, Winterguard, anything under eIrusks CMD.
From the tyrant commander.
Overcome - pathfinder
Press Forward - +2" on advance
Reveille - KD in cmd stand up
This would be pretty sick.

[StefDa]

I'd want him to buff Iron Fang models of any kind preferrably, though I'd settle for IFP. He shouldn't be so good at buffing that he has to stay way back and be protected like he's the Queen herself, though. It's a fine balance.

[PG_ThatRickGuy]

Oh man, if he's a straight Iron Fang buff, instead of an Iron Fang Pikemen... Uhlans could use a touch of love

-Rick

[HeroZero]

Id love if he was a straight copy of the tycom from skorne even without a standard.

[Bramman85]

Im hoping it will give set defense at the ifp. They would be one hard to remove brick then...

[Digilante]

No Sleeping on the Job would be neat, knockdown is one of the easiest ways to get around shield-wall. It would also be a great buff for eIrusk.

Veteran Leader seems nice but in that case he'll need to be hard to kill to be worth it. Mostly I just want some plastic IFPs.

[profparm]

I thought KD doesn't stop Shield Wall....

[PG_ThatRickGuy]

KD doesn't affect shield wall. So long as the models are base to base after recieving the order.

In MKI knockdown would negate shields, but MK2 your shield remains even when knocked down.

-Rick

[Cambeul]

Makes the Pikes a Spray attack, they have a lot of Shrapnel.... one can dream.

Actually if they made him like the Warcouncil unit that Skorne have, or like a Fell Caller for Trolls that would be kinda cool.

Not sure if we need another Manhunter type solo, or the ability to take more units of IFP's

[x3tsniper]

Makes the Pikes a Spray attack, they have a lot of Shrapnel.... one can dream.

Actually if they made him like the Warcouncil unit that Skorne have, or like a Fell Caller for Trolls that would be kinda cool.

Not sure if we need another Manhunter type solo, or the ability to take more units of IFP's

I agree. We are already have a few solos that I never put on the board. Manhunters, Yuri, MoW Kovnik, Marksman for the most part. Sorry, but if I go for a 2 point solo for shooting it is Kell Bailoch. War Dog is close on their trail with the focus efficiency that Wishnailer gives us. Markov very rarely sees play.

That leaves us with Fenris, Drakhun, Koldun Lord, and Joe.
So 4/10.
The Drakhun and Koldun Lord are the only solos I have taken with any regularity for the past 2 years.

[Hoc Est Bellum]

Khador Solos, with the exception of Joe, don't seem to do active buffing much... WMMM, Yuri, Koldun, Markov, Fenris... Anything they do buff-wise is passive, through elite cadre and suchlike. I expect more of the same, to be honest. I reckon they'll make it so you'd take the model for its rules, and the buff will be a cool bonus.

[Daysleepin]

I am certainly happy to see Iron Fangs getting some more loving. I have my doubts he will offer any buffs for other Iron Fang units. If he does offer some kind of buffs i doubt they will be like Kovnik Joe and stretch across all Iron Fang units. We are likely just going to see more of the stuff we got from earlier character solos like Yuri and Fenris.

[StefDa]

A really good way to make the IF Kovnik good without making him too good would.be to make him like Joe; Give him a battle plans-like once-per-turn ability that can target any kind of Iron Fang - that way there's a broad audience for the IF Kovnik, but he wouldn't be over the top with passive abilities.

[PG_Pyrodude32]

Actually i'm kinda hoping that the Iron Fang Kovnik will fit more of a Paladin of the Wall type roll in the army. Some kind of high damage output model that isn't a glass cannon. Don't get me wrong - I love Manhunters and Yuri, but having models that can reach combat and actually survive to strike again the next turn is really nice. (Despite the risk of it dying before it reaches combat)

Regardless of what the model's rules actually are i'm 99.9% certain that i'm going to like it. Iron Fangs are just awesome!

[x3tsniper]

Don't forget we are supposedly getting another Iron Fang unit with axes. I am hoping for weapon masters, but they probably won't have reach if they do get it. Maybe with defensive line.

Hell if they want to make them super expensive, I can live with them being like sentinels. 11 points for the unit and the UA, and they are absolutely bonkers. Defensive line with 12/15, vengeance, weapon master, p&s bears, reach and a drive pronto if they marshal. Oo Those guys are pretty sick. I am willing to pay points for some serious weapon masters that won't murder each other. Most of our units are pretty cheap base units at 4/6 or 5/8. Winterguard get expensive when you take all the bells and whistles, at 13 points but for a ton of models, and versatility. This is of course ignoring the MoW.

More than anything, I would like something new and different. Vlad3 fit this bill, Conquest not so much. I look forward to seeing our upcoming releases.

[<Archangel>]

It would be enteresting if he gave ifp immunity electricity or better yet if he's more like Runewood all infantry in his command immunity to electricity.

[x3tsniper]

It would be enteresting if he gave ifp immunity electricity or better yet if he's more like Runewood all infantry in his command immunity to electricity.

For me to care about immunities, it would have to be elemental damage period like the druids. I don't see us ever getting that.
Giving out frost weapons that made people stationary on crits, I wouldn't mind that at all though.

[Trihnicus]

Where are you getting another Iron Fang unit from? The commentator specifically mentions that the Ironfangs weren't restricted to pikes and that like the Great Bears the Kovnik was going to get the axe... and that this would reinforce the idea that one day Iron Fangs may not have pikes... correct?

[<Archangel>]

I thought he was hinting at a whole new unit.

[volt_ron]

For me to care about immunities, it would have to be elemental damage period like the druids. I don't see us ever getting that.
Giving out frost weapons that made people stationary on crits, I wouldn't mind that at all though.

The IFP already have that with Crit:knockdown on their pikes.

[x3tsniper]

Where are you getting another Iron Fang unit from? The commentator specifically mentions that the Ironfangs weren't restricted to pikes and that like the Great Bears the Kovnik was going to get the axe... and that this would reinforce the idea that one day Iron Fangs may not have pikes... correct?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs_JMqKTlJE
Right at 14:13 into the panel. He basically alludes to a future unit with axes. We may or may not get them in the next book, but they are apparently in the pipe.

The IFP already have that with Crit:knockdown on their pikes.

Stationary is way better than KD. Just saying.

[ralbas]

At Lock & Load there were pictures of a Iron Fang, with an Axe...not a Great Bear...so we may have our IF Kovnik

[Trihnicus]

There's no "may" about it. It was announced at a press conference along with Greylord Outriders who are "fast" cavalry. The thing that we "might" get at some point is a new Iron Fang Unit.

but with Outriders being the next book's unit and the Kovnik being a solo I'm expecting a UA or a WA.

[PG_Pyrodude32]

A UA or WA?

The Iron Fang Kovnik has been announced as a solo

[x3tsniper]

I was talking about the Ironfangs in my post having axes. Was completely disregarding the fact that Koldun lords have axes. I was pointing at the fact that he talks about a future iron fang unit with axes.