eThagrosh conversion - step by stp how to

[Autumn Stone]

Now up on Handcannon online a step by step on how to make this model

http://handcannononline.com/blog/201...on-e-thagrosh/

Happy converting
Cheers
A.S.

[volt_ron]

Personally I think those wings are way too massive...

[Wishing]

They certainly look like they make him tricky to transport. Magnets ftw I guess.

[DoktorVivi]

Personally I think those wings are way too massive...

From a realism standpoint, they're much more appropriate. Those stubby things he had before wouldn't have gotten him anywhere. He'll probably need his own case though, lol

[polarbearsigep]

Wow, this is actually very timely to me. I ordered Thagrosh the Messiah a few months ago wanting to do some conversion work. My plans were more ambitious but because this is the first conversion I'll ever be doing I decided to tone it down and just swap the wings.

I've always thought the wings too small for Thagrosh to really fly. I understand why they are that small. Big wings make things really difficult to transport. However, I think it'll be worth it for how sweet the model will look.

I thought about using the Balrog wings but decided to go with Black Dragon wings from GW. I just got them today and they look narrower than the Balrog wings. I think they will look good though. I'll post something up once I put it all together.

The only question I want to figure out is how I can disconnect the wings for transport and/or close combat while still having the model look good. Any suggestions?

Thanks for the great guide Autumn Stone!

[Drzombieface]

From a realism standpoint, they're much more appropriate. Those stubby things he had before wouldn't have gotten him anywhere. He'll probably need his own case though, lol

From a fluff standpoint, Thagrosh didn't really fly... Closer to gliding. Flight =/= flapflapflapping your albatross wings.


From a realism standpoint, these wings, if they were strong enough to support sustained flight/gliding from Thagrosh, would be so heavy that he would not be able to leave the ground.

[PG_ICleadpeople]

I love "from a realism standpoint" replies to a make believe setting :P

The wings look great, I think you should have trimmed them down a bit where they meet the body. The extra bulk draws too much attention.

[Drzombieface]

I love "from a realism standpoint" replies to a make believe setting :P

The wings look great, I think you should have trimmed them down a bit where they meet the body. The extra bulk draws too much attention.

It's a fantasy setting, but some things are just silly.


These wings are one of them. They look cool and all, and it's great conversion work, but it's just over the top, and not in a "omgIwantone" way.

[Autumn Stone]

@voltron, too massive for what? To fly? With the wings eThags comes with, he'd look like a hummingbird. Cf the wingspan and body size of some real life raptors. Those wings are about right for flying. They were modelled for a mini about the same size as eThags.

@wishing, I believe magnets would be "for the lose". If you wish to try them, I wish you luck in your endeavour.

@vivi, yes, transport will be a pig. Just the price we pay for our hobby. Lol.

@polarbearsigep, In the handcannon article, I talk a bit about the fact that, though light, the wings will be able to generate a lot of torque and even more leverage. You'll need at least two points of attachment to stop them spinning on the attachment point. With such thin profile on the wings, you won't be able to attach the broad magnets you'd require to magnetise them without doing a lot of broadening the base with greenstuff. Even if you did, the side of eThag's torso is a complex beastie, and so the broadened base would do your mini few favours in the looks department.

There is a reason that I used two 2inch long 3/16 brass rods per wing to attach those wings.

The only disconnect I can think of would be to make sure your pins run parallel, and leave one side unglued. I think this would be less than satisfactory, and would likely tear out through the slot in your wings after some use.

I think the best solution is to just suck it up, do the most amazing conversion you can manage, and give it its own chunk of foam for transport. There is good reason the battle foam loadout for legion includes a giant chunk of pluck foam for "dynamically posed models"

The more you point your wings due up, the less they will interfere with other models, and the less leverage gravity will apply to their attachment to the torso. I cannot see this being sufficient to make magnets a viable option. The natural tilt of his torso and the balance of the model I found wanted his wings posed as I have done them, but I have left them raised, so they should only interfere with huge bases

@ ICleadpeople, I did. Read the article

@ drzombieface, I have no reply to your hate.

Cheers
A.S.

[polarbearsigep]

@autumn_stone, I think you are right. I'll just get a different piece of foam for it. I wasn't thinking of using magnets. They just aren't powerful enough to keep those wings sturdy. I was just going to use pins to keep it in. Again, thanks for the article.

[Autumn Stone]

You're welcome.

Rob Hawkins mentions magnetising big wings on his hobby blog
http://robhawkinshobby.blogspot.com.au/
Not so much in the "here's how to do it" way, as in the "I have to figure out how to or I'll need to suck up the fact I need to carry it in a 10" cube" way. If Rob is struggling, then it may not be an option to have detachable wings.

Cheers
A.S.

[komodokeeper]

I like these wings for their realism, and actually appearance to work...so I'm for it!!!

ALso, I'm disappointed in Hawkins for featuring the other company so heavily on his blog , but a guy has to have other interests right!

[Space Donkey]

The solution I've found for magnetizing tricky bits is to have guide pins glued on only one piece to support the weight and stabilize while the magnets are there for gripping power.

[Tuxedo_Mask]

The wings are huge. I used them in a 40k conversion. What I did was boil them a bit and then curve the wings. it took awhile to get the shape i wanted but it helps a lot!

[Karnstein]

I like the conversion/tutorial a lot and it is a bit superior to my own take on eThag. Not that I don't like the look of my big dadd. But your solution is close to 100% foolproof when it comes to big stuff sitting in your front arc. While my wing pose is good enough to reach above most warjacks in the game, it could turn out a bit bothersome if I ever try to fit eThag into melee range with a BE or a colossal.

[Rob Hawkins]

You're welcome.

Rob Hawkins mentions magnetising big wings on his hobby blog
http://robhawkinshobby.blogspot.com.au/
Not so much in the "here's how to do it" way, as in the "I have to figure out how to or I'll need to suck up the fact I need to carry it in a 10" cube" way. If Rob is struggling, then it may not be an option to have detachable wings.

Haven't quite started this yet I'm thinking 2 large magnets in the shoulders and a small one in the "wrist" where it meets the hand on the base. It needs to be secure and not wobble when moved, two separate attachment points might help, but maybe a long pin in the wrist and magnets at the shoulder would be better?

That doesn't really help with the Balrog wings, since they only have the shoulder attachment. Removing them doesn't look like an issue, though, as Thagrosh is relatively shallow front-to-back, and could lie on his back in a V-shaped cutout in the 'jack trays.

[Barrynstein]

I just got a pair oh hive tyrant/swarmlord wings for a friend to convert eThags. I think those wings are a little more dynamic than the balrog wings. Might be slightly smaller and lighter too.
Still looks cool to me.