360' LOS and Colossal Damage Grids

[magi]

How do abilities like Awareness and Bird's Eye affect direction of attack and application of damage to Colossals?

Warjacks and others are treated as if they have a 360' front arc for purposes of attacks, meaning that bonuses from shields, repulsion, and other front arc specific abilities apply to attacks from the back arc as well, and models also do not receive the back arc attack bonus.

This is complicated with colossals, who have the Fields of Fire rule and take damage based on the specific arc they are being attacked in (e.g., if they are attacked from the left/ right arc, damage is first applied to the left/ right grid, respectively; if they are attacked from the direct front or the back, either grid can be chosen).

It has been ruled that 360' vision granting affects do not affect firing/attack arcs for Field of Fire-dependent weapons. Does granting 360' vision affect how damage is applied? Would potential future defensive abilities tied to specific Fields of Fire (e.g. shields) not apply to attacks from behind even when a colossal is under the affect of 360' vision?

[Crate123]

After the 360 ruling on field of fire I find it very hard to believe that it wouldnt also transfer to damage taken by the colossal as well.
The colossal would take damage as normal even though it has 360 vision itself.
Ofcourse I have no rules to back this up so its just an opinion.

[Gamingdevil]

After the 360 ruling on field of fire I find it very hard to believe that it wouldnt also transfer to damage taken by the colossal as well.
The colossal would take damage as normal even though it has 360 vision itself.
Ofcourse I have no rules to back this up so its just an opinion.

I agree. The damage rules specifically mention fields of fire. 360 LoS has been ruled not to affect fields of fire.

[quindraco]

I agree. The damage rules specifically mention fields of fire. 360 LoS has been ruled not to affect fields of fire.

No, it's been ruled not to affect weapons that target in fields of fire. I don't think clear precedent has been set for this.

[magi]

I guess the tricky part here is the back arc.

Is it correct that the back arc should be treated as the front arc for defensive and offensive effects that trigger on attacking the back arc, but not for damage application?

[PG_possiblyarowbot]

Do you not still have to roll a column?

[Valander]

Checking...

[PxDnNinja]

Really? How hard is this to understand. FoF is only used for calculating what models a weapon "which is locked to a field of fire" can attack. FoF and 360 degree vision are two separate things.

You determine what damage grid is affected based on which field of fire the attack originated in. NO WHERE does that involve LoS and Front/Back arcs.

Even with 360 vision, if the damage was from the left FoF, then it is to the left damage grid. If it is in both FoFs, then the attacker chooses.

I will yield that the book mentions the back arc as well as being in both damage grids, but a moment of simple thought tells us that the purpose of this whole rule is to handle damage that isn't to a specific damage grid. So simply put if damage doesn't come from COMPLETELY within a FoF, then the attacker chooses the grid to affect.

[magi]

Thanks for that, PxDnNinja, but my question is more complex than "how do colossals take damage?"

I'll wait for Valander's response.

[Macallan]

It has no effect, follow the normal colossal rules for which grid damage goes on.