Am I crazy?

[Scottl1]

In games I seem to get weird reactions attacking my own stuff or throwing stuff to the wind. I guess all in all I don't care when stuff dies and it throws some of my opponents off. I played a recent game and cast curse of shadows on my own unit so I could charge deathjack through to get a caster kill.

Do you guys try to save every one of your models or do you guys toss caution to the wind?

[Deo85]

The ends justify the means for me. Like you I do not care if I lose a model as long as it served some kind of purpose in the process. When it comes to a caster kill all bets are off and I will sacrifice any piece to get my win in. We are the walking dead there is no point in holding false hope or care for our rotting brethren.

[Malaspeme]

/\ This for sure. Undead are already dead, so they don't mind dying again.

[LichLordVexing]

Kill everything! Every game I play is December 21st, 2012, and the Dragon Father is bringing it!

[PG_Dmark]

As long as I win, I don't care.

[Barrynstein]

It took me a while to get used to the notion - and to be honest I still look for ways to get around needing to kill my own stuff unless it means mass destruction to the opponent, but if targeting a bane thrall or McThrall or anything else for that matter, means I get the win I'll do it.

[SpiderBite]

I intentionally set my stuff up to be killed. Either by the opponent or myself. Doesnt matter.
a win is a win, and as long as we win, we'll just dig everyone up and make 'em all work for us anyway.
Kill your own stuff.
Laugh while doing it. That's just how we roll!!

[bonesaww666]

Literally set up my infantry for regular face poundings! If they can't take a joke then screw em!

[GreenJello]

I think that killing your own stuff is surprising to a lot of your opponents because it's counter-intuitive, or outright banned in other systems.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing something similar in Warmachine. Not much of an issue with Cryx, but when Nemo charges some lowly trencher just to get a couple of extra inches it seems wrong from a fluff perspective.

[Brownpanther]

I'm new and I think this its an appropriate place to ask this because I've considered this strategy. Do you auto-hit your own guys or do you have to roll against them?

[anewbre]

I'm new and I think this its an appropriate place to ask this because I've considered this strategy. Do you auto-hit your own guys or do you have to roll against them?

And I hate it when I fail to hit/damage.

[Dragon2439]

I'm new and I think this its an appropriate place to ask this because I've considered this strategy. Do you auto-hit your own guys or do you have to roll against them?

And I hate it when I fail to hit/damage.

Yes you have to roll to hit.

A buddy of mine once attempted to throw the last of his heavy infantry ( from khador, i think) at my warcaster to try and finish him off only to have him beat on the str roll off. Thanks to that i proceeded to win the following turn.

[Adurot]

I love Curse of Shadows on my own unit to charge some key Solo/Jack/Caster thru, people never seem to see it coming. First turn Parasite on a Machine Wraith is also fun to give your Caster the +1 Arm, and it's not like armor on the wraith matters at all.

[PG_Dmark]

I love Curse of Shadows on my own unit to charge some key Solo/Jack/Caster thru, people never seem to see it coming. First turn Parasite on a Machine Wraith is also fun to give your Caster the +1 Arm, and it's not like armor on the wraith matters at all.

Why not just camp the one focus needed to upkeep it?

[ResurrectioN]

Why not just camp the one focus needed to upkeep it?

WSC ukeeps it for free or Skarlock recasts it for free.

[LichLordVexing]

I've played 3 games with Cryx so far, and each time I've killed 2-3 Scrap Thralls, about 5 McThralls, a Siren, a Deathripper, and a Bane Thrall in the name of victory! So far my record is 2-1, but it could've been 3-0 if I wasn't so damn careless with Gaspy's placement! Literally 1" more to the left and I would've won the next turn.

[various]

Depends on the model bit generally units are currency to buy victory with, we're Cryx so most of our models are dead before we begin so we don't have to feel guilty about getting them killed. i'm more than happy to sacrifice units/'jacks if it means i'll be able to get a 'Caster kill, the un-lives of our troops are just a means to an end.

[Scottl1]

I think thus far the oddest reaction was leaving dj out for a scythean and angel to hit. lol

Yes they got to dj but Terminus and company ate the beasts so seemed far to me to take out half the legion list for DJ. lol

[Kuwanger23]

I'll trade a DJ for a Molik missile any day. Also I throw my scrap thralls and kill them all the time. I mean isn't that what they are for? And sometimes I thresher my own models for the greater good. If I kill one bane but take out 5 enemy models it is a fair trade. Especially if Tartarus is the one threshering. Then I am getting 5 banes back anyway

[Antereas]

I have to actually curb in my desire to kill off my own models. Sometimes I seem to kill more of my own units with sprays than the enemies I was trying to aim for.
Can't put a price on perfect hellmouth/Death Knell positioning though.

[daoloth]

I've got no problem with killing my own models, it has to net an advantage though.

One of the more satisfying occasions involved killing a legion raek under the effects of Saeryn's feat (the warbeast could not be the target of a melee attack...). I surrounded it with scrap thralls and charged one of them with a Necrotech, using it's reach to stay out of the death explosion. The resulting chain reaction killed the raek, which had started off undamaged.

I doubt it would have worked on anything better armoured though...

[Deo85]

I think the fact we have models whos sole purpose is to die (Scrap thralls / Bloat thralls) means you got to get used to this asap if your going to play Cryx

[lolololage]

The PG in my area wasnt to keen on me spraying my harrower and leviathen with a warwitch after they were engaged by 5 of his trolls that "could not be targetted by magic"

Think i killed four of them for a point of dmg on one jack and some corrosion.


Considering in the next game against someone else they slammed their own skorne beast to get into range for a caster kill, i thought karma landed on me anyway!

But yea, i have no issues killing every model in my list if i think it will win me the game.

[blakeh1]

The last game I played I had a Leviathan trample up and have his base just far enough out of a cloud effect Epic Thagrosh was hiding behind so Terminus could have LOS to it. I then charged it with Terminus so I could in turn go for the kill. (I wound up 3 boxes short due to transfers)

I've slammed/thrown my own models into other models because they would be easier to hit (especially with back strike bonus), or were in the way

I've also used Tartarus to thresher stuff out of the way for others to charge in, including my own guys

As others have mentioned, the old stand by of running something cheap near stuff with spellward so you can target them with Venom

In MK1 I used to do the Marked for Death trick with Rengrave. Back then Marked for Death was any model making any attack within 10" of the marked for death model had to target it. So Rengrave standing out in the front of the army had to be the target, he cabin boys off to a Revenant Crew member (who then just comes back next turn). Fun way to deny range and charge attacks at the rest of your army behind him.

[raptor1313]

I think that killing your own stuff is surprising to a lot of your opponents because it's counter-intuitive, or outright banned in other systems.

This, very much. Honestly, I think fluff-wise, if the sacrifice is worth it, why not? Cryx gets a much easier pass since they view the living as fuel/recyclable, and the dead as often-repairable and a by-product of fuel.

If there's someone caught in a Purge, or Thresher, or even to be used as a targeting beacon, then why not?

I will contest that the Scrappies are supposed to die, but the Bloat's death 'splosion is more of a counterbalance, and something you CAN use (or you just, y'know, don't keep it near stuff that cares about being caught in the blast.)

[Ikazuyr]

I first learned to do this with Cryx and have found the strategy followed me over to my second army, Skorne. Specifically, I had an opponent who had a Menoth unit (can't remember what) that was DEF 21 vs ranged / magic ... I ran a beasthandler into the unit and eHexy tossed Ashes to Ashes into his back, taking out 5 of the Menoth guys too. Made me think of when I was playing Cryx and would two handed throw bloat thralls and such.

[Antereas]

The PG in my area wasnt to keen on me spraying my harrower and leviathen with a warwitch after they were engaged by 5 of his trolls that "could not be targetted by magic"

Think i killed four of them for a point of dmg on one jack and some corrosion.

I had completely forgotten this interaction. I seem to run into a lot of menoth at the moment that are spell warded. Problem solved.

[Drzombieface]

I've killed off 9 or 10 models of my own turn 1 when I play against the Testament with eAsphyxious. My opponents are confused at first, but then they realized my plan when Testament was dead with a bunch of Bane Lances sticking out of his face.

[Teej]

i will sacrifice 30pts of units to make an opening to kill his or her caster or warlock, the only model that means anything to me is my own caster everything else is cannon fodder for all i care, i play very destructively but its won me alot of games, when i first started out i was very cautious and treated all my models like they were precious and i lost games because of this most of the time, however i still play it very safe to make sure all my units make it up the board in 1 peice then just explode thats why i like stealth units and such.

[SjoerdH]

For a tournament yesterday my near to death Nightmare was standing face to face with a full health war hog right in front of Denny. I had only a few models left and nothing serious to kill the hog. Yet I needed only 1 more control point to win. My ownly hope was charging a second hog with Denny and teleporting it out of the control area. To bad my Nightmare and war hog 1 badly blocked LoS.

Denny went incoporeal. So I ran up a bloat thrall near the Nightmare and War Hog. Then I cast Hellsmouth on the bloat. It dragged Nightmare and the War Hog out of Denny's LoS with that spell, doing no damage at all, but alright. That gave Denny just enough LoS to War Hog 2. She charged partly through War Hog 1, came barely in reach of war hog 2, but I knew it would close enough and she wacked war hog 2 on the head, banishing it out of the control zone scoring my winning point

In the same tourney, other battle, I also just the trick posted in this topic of putting Curse of Shadows from a skarlock on my own bane thralls, so that Tartarus could get through. After that Denny put the spell back on some trolls so it was discarded from my banes. Very nice!

[AshenFang]

In my area we play a lot of team games, so it becomes a bit of a problem for me.. well.. for my teammate with this playstyle, heh. "Hey, your Black 13 is in my way.. don't worry, I'll move them for you.."

In the end, whatever it takes to win.

I had completely forgotten this interaction. I seem to run into a lot of menoth at the moment that are spell warded. Problem solved.

When we were getting back into Warmachine, and into MK2 for the first time, a friend that plays Menoth often took his little bomb throwing Zealot unit with it's attachment, Tossing a spell on them so I couldn't target them with spells, then making them immune to everything but magic for a turn with their mini feat. I played a lot of Gaspy1 getting back into the game, and I always run Mechanithralls with him, to combat such Menoth shenanigans just run the Mechanithralls up so you'll hit a few of his Zealots with a Breath of Corruption.. ..after wiping out that unit time and time again in this fashion, he eventually stopped bringing them, heh.