Arkadius + Road Hog: Monster Mayhem & Lightning Strike

[Rotfell]

Let's say I cast the Lightning Strike animus on a warbeast (gives Sprint), then activate Arkadius and use his feat (which makes warbeasts frenzy). If the frenzied warbeast killed an enemy model, does Sprint trigger?

Because Primal says: "Frenzied warbeast activate immediatly...", so this melee attack should happen during an activation, so Sprint triggers... but does it really?

Especially considering, that Monster Mayhem allows you to activate the beast still afterwards, if you didn't do it before. Seems too cool to be true, so the question.

[HellecticMojo]

Also to see if frenzy counts as activation or not, because I can't tell if the infernals want to count it or not regarding forcing, since our hogs have dials, I think it's worthy of asking

[Benejeseret]

Primal p74 seems to make it pretty clear that it is an activation, so anything related to being activated should kick in. However, Frenzy is fairly specific so I doubt Dialing would be allowed, nor is Assault or Massacre or any other attacks etc.

This question will become even more important should Arky ever get a gargantuan. Since gargants cannot move except during their activation they could not charge during his feat unless it is a full (frenzy) activation.

[vintersbastard]

This one is really easy:

Arkadius' activation is interrupted while you resolve the activation of the frenzying beasts, and resumes afterward.

[Del Fuego]

This one is really easy:

Hey we just wanted to be sure before people complained about us sending a War Hog up the field a potential 21 inches in one turn. ;-P

[HellecticMojo]

upon reading again I think Sprint is the only animus so far that we have that activates during frenzy since the trigger is after the activation, not during it.

[Del Fuego]

upon reading again I think Sprint is the only animus so far that we have that activates during frenzy since the trigger is after the activation, not during it.

Massacre would too, if you Frenzy more than 3" and kill the target.

[solkan]

One important note to keep in mind: http://privateerpressforums.com/show...=1#post1377559

Answer is:
Frenzying Warbeasts are only intended to be able do those things listed in the Threshold and Frenzy rules. This precludes optional abilities, use of animi, and forcing for any purpose. There may be an errata to add this preclusion to the Frenzy rules.

If you have any choice in the matter, you're not going to do it during a frenzy activation. Note that the linked thread even asked about sprint and frenzy.

[HellecticMojo]

Massacre would too, if you Frenzy more than 3" and kill the target.

I don't think so because it says "after the attack is resolved", not "after the activation"

it would go
1. attack
2.resolve, killed something
3. would massacre, but frenzy prevents anything besides the frenzy rule so you would have no chance to do massacre and sit still
4. activation ends.

@solkan, problem is that page74 of primal at the end of activation it says the beast is no longer frenzied, so anything that it can do out of turn should be clear to do. This is the reason why things like Aggravator still work on beasts that have frenzied because the rule kicked in after the frenzy activation. Sprint specify at end of activation.

[Benejeseret]

Massacre might allow the few inches of movement, but I'm not sure the extra attack is allowed.

[HellecticMojo]

no, because they still apply in the activation. In the frenzy activation you move and attack only as linked by Solkan. so you wouldn't move and you wouldn't get to attack again.

The problem with sprint is whether ending an activation count as being part of activation. Given PP's errata considering the IFP UA where the abilities are moved within the activation instead of after it, I'm guessing that PP wishes to keep the end of activation separate from activation. So through that train of thought I think sprint is viable, but I would realy like an infernal response to see if end of activation count as part of activation.

[HellecticMojo]

I know I'm going to get chewed out for thread necromancy, but I really need to know if ending an activation count as part of activation.

[Rotfell]

I don't see my question answered either.

This quote:

Frenzying Warbeasts are only intended to be able do those things listed in the Threshold and Frenzy rules. This precludes optional abilities, use of animi, and forcing for any purpose. There may be an errata to add this preclusion to the Frenzy rules.

can be read as it don't, but the end of an activation is (like Mojo said) a bit special and Arkadius is the only one, who has a feat like this and since the farrow-players a pretty tight on options, we like to know our few better.

And I like to add the gargantuan question: Would a gargantuan (when farrow get one) in Arkadius' feat moves, since it's an activation outside the "normal" activation?

If Arkadius' feat gets an errata, that the frenzy doesn't count as an activation, then it's all OK, but I like to get a direct answer to the sprint and the gargantuan-questions, because it will make a big difference how to feat with the Doc (especially the sprint, since it means you have it a lot easier to manage the frenzies, because your beasts won't just charge one another).

[poeticruse]

Bumping this thread at the request of the OP. The answers given were correct; models cannot use optional abilities during frenzy, and the frenzy activation is, truly, an activation.

[HellecticMojo]

But that's during Frenzy, does sprint's "end of activation" count as during the activation?

Is ending an activation part of the activation?

[poeticruse]

Sprint is included in my prior ruling, as observed. No optional abilities from a frenzying beast, including at the end of activation.