Terminus tier lists

[Bohrdog]

I am wanting to build a tier list for Terminus for the next tourny at my local B&M.
I have to buy a few things to make this happen but I am not sure what to get.
I have Blackbane's Ghost Raiders but I am not sure what to run for a second unit.
Do I go with Revenant Crew of the Atramentous to tar/soak hits or Bloodgorgers?

[raptor1313]

With some practice, you c an get the Revenant Crew's quartermaster to hide behind Big T and basically tank the hits.

If you don't have the Revenant Crew, you're committing to camping focus and hoping you never see anyone that can knock focus off him.

The biggest problem I've had with Big T's tier list is against heavy hitters. I'd consider borrowing Lamoron's idea with double Leviathans; screen Big T's base with those to prevent enemy heavies from getting up to him, and feed them so they can shoot down big targets. Revenants soak bullets, and Blackbanes jam things up.

It's what you've got with the tier list.

[SpiderBite]

for the Revenant Crew.
You'll me taking Cpt Ren anyway, so there's some synergy there. You wont be getting a ton of souls on feat turn, but campin' you're still looking at ARM23. (not counting if you bring Mr.Wrathe along for the ride)
I like the double Leviathan idea, but I'd personally roll with double Harrowers. Two Levis would need a good amount of focus to be useful, and i loves me some GhostShot. Each to his own tho.



bring Mr.Wrath along for the ride!! get it? -.- eh. well, good thing i'm not a comedian.

[Cassiaus]

I run Terminus tier three 8 out of 9 win loss. couple reasons why. +2 spd turn one. Black bane is now 18" run Rev 16" and the +2 lets me get the cannons into position. This gives little time for my enemy to react and denys them field placement. Incorporeal turn one. Now I'm in your face and in charge range and given you almost no viable targets. What you do kill I'll bring back next turn.with proper placement the while army is tough and +2 att (rengrave). Reanimation, sac pawn, flaming weapons, death toll, ghost shot, very hard army to kill. Rev crew is now x2 att 11/12 str att with gang Mat 9. Rev cannon is Rat 8 ghost shot which is magic. There is killing power where it counts, infantry souls. Scarlock to cast beserk on scavengers who then sprint away. Most games end with my enemy yelling "how do I kill this? "

Terminus
Scarlock
X2 scavenger

Rengrave
Blackbane x10
X2 Rev cannon crew
X2 Rev crew x6
X2 Rev rifleman

[Rumor]

But how would your list deal with a Karchev/Daruis/Nemo jack list, or any colossal, or a Circle Baldur Constructs list, or Iron Fleshed Kayazy Assassians/Nyss etc.. It will do okay vs some infantry heavy armies but struggle vs high armour or high def armies.

One Spriggin/Driller/any decent melee jack fully loaded trampling/buldozing through all that infantry can take out Terminus with decent rolls and it lacks the tools to take those out.

Bohrdog - is is a teir list only tourny?

[Bohrdog]

But how would your list deal with a Karchev/Daruis/Nemo jack list, or any colossal, or a Circle Baldur Constructs list, or Iron Fleshed Kayazy Assassians/Nyss etc.. It will do okay vs some infantry heavy armies but struggle vs high armour or high def armies.

One Spriggin/Driller/any decent melee jack fully loaded trampling/buldozing through all that infantry can take out Terminus with decent rolls and it lacks the tools to take those out.

Bohrdog - is is a teir list only tourny?

Yes it's a tier tourny at my local B&M / Blood,Sweat and Tears 35 point Tier 2 list required

[Drakor]

Yes it's a tier tourny at my local B&M / Blood,Sweat and Tears 35 point Tier 2 list required

I'd take eGoreshade then, his tiers very solid

[Lambstar]

I would advocate Bloodgorgers along with Leviathans. Bloodgorgers hit reasonably hard on the charge and make a great no-trample tarpit. However, you probably want a min. unit of Rev. crew for one reason: Sac. pawn targets. I don't like 'em as a rule (I see them as a tarpit with no hitting power, so I use bloodgorgers or mechthralls/surgeon for the role), but they're cheaper and the only bullet-catching option in the tier, so you may as well use them.

That being said, the Terminus tier is one of my least favs. for options and benefits, so I'm probably not the best qualified to comment.

[Bohrdog]

I'd take eGoreshade then, his tiers very solid

I don't have him yet.

[Deo85]

If its a tier list tournament I am amazed your not going with Morty due to her tier lists is amazing O.o

[blakeh1]

I love Bloodgorgers, but with Terminus, I'd stick with a max unit of Revenant Crew. They will be your sac pawn targets while Blackbanes are your jammers. The Bloodgorgers will just be too slow for Terminus. The Revenant Crew will be a point cheaper anyway.

Let Terminus and Leviathan can take care of any heavies. Your army isn't there to decimate the other army, you just need to deliver Terminus into charge range of the enemy caster.

Also you'd be suprised how much damage the Revenant Crew can actually output due to having 2 attacks, and both get the gang bonus because even the point blank attack is considered a melee attack. Use Rengrave to snipe character UA's, officers/solos etc.

Definitely take Wrathe. His CMD aura debuff to damage rolls will be very helpful for Terminus and the Leviathan.

Also if you can add the rifleman UA, do it. Having extra bodies in the unit helps as well unless for some reason you actually have 2 units of Revenants.

This is my current list of choice for a Tier 3 Terminus list ( I don't find Tier 4 as appealing)
Lich Lord Terminus -4
Deathjack 12
Leviathan 9
Captain Rengrave 2
Blackbane's Ghost Raiders [10 for 9 pts.] 9
Revenant Cannon Crew 3
Revenant Crew of the Atramentous [10 for 9 pts.] 8
Revenant Rifleman UA 1
Darragh Wrathe 4
Soulhunters [3 for 6 pts.] 6
50

Leviathan and Terminus and Deathjack are sufficient against any heavy ARM. Deathjack can also cast Ravager for Terminus when he charges in on his feat turn to suck up souls. Early on he can pop off an Annihilation or Hellfire at something that might have Advanced deployed or run to close before Blackbane's or Soul Hunters charge in. Other than that, you really don't need to give him any FOC for it to be effective. Terminus can typiically spare a 2 or 3 FOC for the Leviathan to shoot stuff. Revenant Crew huddles around Terminus as sac pawn when needed or just bodies in the way and then to collect souls on feat turn that Terminus couldn't reach. Wrathe there for his debuff aura, or to gain that extra 1" of movement. The Cannon Crew has typically proved useful. Run first turn, then they are usually in range to shoot stuff from turn 2 on. Nice for shooting things on control points.

If I could proxy, I'd most likely take a second max unit of Revenant Crew, dropping the Soul Hunters and take out the Revenant UA and fit in a Skarlock

[Bohrdog]

If its a tier list tournament I am amazed your not going with Morty due to her tier lists is amazing O.o

I would but I don't have any of her units and only one warwitch. I will go with Gaspy2 if I don't figure something else out. I know there will be 2 others there with him.

[raptor1313]

Honestly, there's one big thing Morty's theme list is missing - easy ability to screen her. You are hilariously offense-oriented, and really gonna worry about someone with multiple Defenders/Ravagores/etc as she doesn't have the DEF to hide easily.

That being said, Big T's tier list DOES suffer from lack of heavy hitters outside of your jacks.

However, the Revenant Crew CAN lay down some hurt with their volume of attacks, and Blackbane's can jam nicely.

[Bohrdog]

My alt to Big T's list would be Denny2 since I know there will be 2 others with Gaspy2

System: Warmachine
Faction: epic Deneghra - Shadow Play
Casters: 1/1
Points: 34/35
Tiers: 4
Wraith Witch Deneghra (*6pts)
* Deathripper (4pts)
* Leviathan (9pts)
* Nightmare (10pts)
* Skarlock Thrall (2pts)
Bane Knights (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
Blackbane's Ghost Raiders (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
Machine Wraith (0pts)
Pistol Wraith (3pts)

[Bohrdog]

Ok my wonderful wife told me if I need anything for my list just go buy it<3 <3
So I am looking at this now for Big T, how does this look before I go spend the cash?

System: Warmachine
Faction: Terminus - The Ghost Fleet
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Tiers: 3
Lich Lord Terminus (*4pts)
* Scavenger (4pts)
* Leviathan (9pts)
* Skarlock Thrall (2pts)
Blackbane's Ghost Raiders (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
Revenant Cannon Crew (3pts)
Revenant Crew (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* 3 Revenant Crew Crew Riflemen (3pts)
Captain Rengrave (2pts)
3 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
3 Scrap Thrall (1pts)

[blakeh1]

Personally I'd drop the Scavenger for Wrathe (assuming you have Darragh Wrathe)

That extra 1" move can sometimes really make a difference in getting LOS or a charge for Terminus to the enemy caster. And when not using that the -2 to damage roll debuff makes Terminus effective ARM 20 against anything that might get into melee with him.

I'd also try to max out Blackbanes. drop the scrap thralls and 1 Rifleman and you can max out the unit.

That's just my 2 cents

[Barrynstein]

Is d wrathe in terminus theme force? If so i totally concur. Makes you move faster, then makes your harder to kill, and he is pretty good in combat aslo.

[Bohrdog]

Is d wrathe in terminus theme force? If so i totally concur. Makes you move faster, then makes your harder to kill, and he is pretty good in combat aslo.

Yes D Wrathe is in the tier list

[lastspartacus]

With tier list, revenants.

If you want what i consider to be a really good one at 50:

Terminus
Leviathan
Leviathan
10 revenants
10 revenants
6 blackbanes
cannon crew
cannon crew
necrotech and scrappy
necrotech and scrappy
rengrave
wrathe

[Scottl1]

With tier list, revenants.

If you want what i consider to be a really good one at 50:

Terminus
Leviathan
Leviathan
10 revenants
10 revenants
6 blackbanes
cannon crew
cannon crew
necrotech and scrappy
necrotech and scrappy
rengrave
wrathe

Why the 2 techs?

[lastspartacus]

Had 2 leftover points. And pretty much guarantees levis sitting in the middle of the blob never die or lose a system.

[Scottl1]

I guess it depends on what your'e playing against then.