Lightning and Fire

[PG_Celedor]

As he stands, I'm quite eager to get the Storm Troll painted and in play. But, it's partnering up with the Pyre that's got me excited. I suppose it's primarily a flavourful fancy, but it's also a potent combination for 10 points. Having access to those two animus' (sp?) has some fun implications. I'm keen on both in an eMad list first to table.

There were some interesting discussions previously, Inc scrumcast, but wondering if any new thoughts? Like with new models like MtK? Solidifies the chances of wiping out all nearby infantry.

[Kamahin]

Plural is animi. Also I am excited about this combo as well.

[Goris]

There's something important to remember about the Storm Troll's animus, which is it's amazing with models using multiple attacks, but not models using multiple attacks simultaneously. I.E. Champions and beasts to a degree. Sadly things with thresher attacks and the like either clear out too much if what you might want to electroleap to and I believe they only trigger one electroleap... His gun has promise and the critical disruption is pretty awesome, but it's just one dimension of what's going to make this guy good. I have high hopes for him against high def infantry and things with stealth and the like.

[JArrow]

I have played a couple of games whit Storm-troll, but I'm not sure how has it worked. Gun is good, but only rat 4 rng 8, so it needs always boost to hit, and still can't hit all infantry reliable. Crit-disrupt can't be thrusted eather, but the back-firing disrupt can save your day. Electroleap is good, but costy. All in all, I think it's really good against warmachine (specially against cygnar) and can save your day against circle, but in most cases I still prefer other lights more. (But when I get my slag done, I certanly have to play game, where all elemental-lights are in play)

[LeSaboteur]

Has anyone else thought of using them in pair?

I haven't tested the stormtroll at all, but when I look at him, I can see myself taking two. They can shoot eachother in the back and throw out two animus themselfs, and that animus is all about spaming when it only cost 1. Or they can hang out behind a screen of Longriders or Fennblades, one moves up, cast their animus on a Longrider/Fennblade, shoot the same in the back if its tied up in melee, and then the unit charges and use the electroleap on its attack. Then the other one activates, moves up and shoots the same guy for even more attacks deep in the enemy lines. That is potentially 7 more attacks originating from just 2 models, to the cost of 1 fury. Not to shabby.

[Bladestorm]

Sadly things with thresher attacks and the like either clear out too much if what you might want to electroleap to and I believe they only trigger one electroleap...

Electro-leap isn't an attack, so there is no "one per simultaneous attack" limit like there would be with additional attacks. As such every model that was hit by the thresher will generate an electro-leap at the point of the hits, before the damage from the thresher itself kills anything.

It is reasonably likely that a lot of the leaps will just bounce to things that were caught in the thresher itself, but if nothing else that helps make sure that most or all of the models in the area die, even if you miss some of the attacks.

[PG_thegreatblah]

If you are fighting against Warmachine I'd wager a Slag and Storm are a better pair. But if you're playing against Legion, then a Pyre and Storm are golden, leaping to high def models is great and immunity to fire makes Legion Cry.

[Lost Effect]

What about Rok with the strom trolls animus on him backed by Edoomie I can see his eating troops but do you think the electro leaps would limit his movement(goad) or berserk chains?

[PG_petegrrrr]

Electro-leap isn't an attack, so there is no "one per simultaneous attack" limit like there would be with additional attacks. As such every model that was hit by the thresher will generate an electro-leap at the point of the hits, before the damage from the thresher itself kills anything.

It is reasonably likely that a lot of the leaps will just bounce to things that were caught in the thresher itself, but if nothing else that helps make sure that most or all of the models in the area die, even if you miss some of the attacks.

Actually, electro leap being an attack is in the "checking" phase in the rules forum. With 3nemo coming out, I'd bet heavily towards it being an attack (since it makes determining origin of attacks for his feat incredibly hard otherwise).

[FakeProblems]

How about magic bullet on him? How effective would this be?

[Bladestorm]

Actually, electro leap being an attack is in the "checking" phase in the rules forum. With 3nemo coming out, I'd bet heavily towards it being an attack (since it makes determining origin of attacks for his feat incredibly hard otherwise).

I believe what is in checking is whether electro-leap is considered to be from the model, not whether it is an attack. It is never, ever referred to as an attack itself. (It might be considered to be part of an attack, but in this case here the attack is Thresher, not electro-leap anyway)

[PG_petegrrrr]

How about magic bullet on him? How effective would this be?

You would get one magic bullet, so It would be about as effective as it ever is I guess. He doesn't really offer anything new one way or the other in terms of that spell.

[PG_petegrrrr]

Also, it turns out you will never get electro leaps on sweep (colossal version of thresher) anyway, because:

Prime MK2 page 51:
"When a model makes a power attack, do not apply the special abilities on its weapons unless they specifically reference power attacks."

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?108788-Power-Strike-Sweep-and-Electro-leap-on-the-Stormwall&highlight=thresher+electro

So you never will get an electro leap off with the Mountain King unless you are punching people one fist at a time.

[Dr. Ewww]

How about magic bullet on him? How effective would this be?

I am looking forward to fielding him with Jarl and a Slag. Load up the Sons of Bragg with appropriate animi buffs, Lightning fists on Rudd, Acidic Touch on the other two and throw a magic bullet on Tor. Zoom in after feat turn and kill stuff. Gonna need Moses for this, likely.

[zor]

If you are fighting against Warmachine I'd wager a Slag and Storm are a better pair. But if you're playing against Legion, then a Pyre and Storm are golden, leaping to high def models is great and immunity to fire makes Legion Cry.

Legion hates Corrosion immune just as much considering Ravagore shots are dual elemented.

[Cleavelander]

I am looking forward to fielding him with Jarl and a Slag. Load up the Sons of Bragg with appropriate animi buffs, Lightning fists on Rudd, Acidic Touch on the other two and throw a magic bullet on Tor. Zoom in after feat turn and kill stuff. Gonna need Moses for this, likely.

IIRC they would all have to have the same animus. If one trooper has an animus and a different animus is cast upon another model in the same unit, the first animus expires.

[zor]

IIRC they would all have to have the same animus. If one trooper has an animus and a different animus is cast upon another model in the same unit, the first animus expires.

Not true. But each time the animus is cast it only effects one model at a time. You can have a champ raged, then another champ flaming fists, then another acidic touch if you want to. But each one only affects each one and you must have range to that model to cast on it.

[Cleavelander]

found it, though maybe I'm misunderstanding it.
p 79 "The older friendly animus expires even if only a single model in the unit is affected by the new friendly animus"

[zor]

IF you have an animus that affects the unit, and you cast a single model animus onto anyone in that unit, then the unitwide animus goes away.

[Cleavelander]

Oh, I see. The paragraph that describes the animi expiration is rife 'or's, and I tend to treat them all inclusively. Thanks.

[Dr. Ewww]

Oh, I see. The paragraph that describes the animi expiration is rife 'or's, and I tend to treat them all inclusively. Thanks.

Thanks for the research. I just read it in context. And as far as I can tell, you are correct. Bummer.

[zor]

When a spell is cast directed one model, only the model it is cast upon is affected.
When a spell is cast at a unit of models, all of the models in the unit are affected.

The rules are written so that you couldn't have a spell/animus that affects a unit AND a spell/animus that affects a single model in that unit. You CAN rage Champ 1, Flaming Fist Champ 2, and Acidic Touch Champ 3 because each of those animi are "Target Friendly Faction Model"

Link to Infernal Ruling (read the whole thing)
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...-the-same-unit

[Dr. Ewww]

Makes sense. Though, the wording in Primal is screwbally. Thanks for clarifying.