Why take the Wardog over Wyshnalyrr?

[Jake the Dog]

I love the Wardog, but everybody (not everybody, but you know what I mean) uses the Elf over our Hound. Why would you use the Wardog?

How can you not love the dog?!

Jake the Wardog, by Monly

[John of Arc]

That is AWESOME

[philipcryx]

I love the Wardog. Why do i bring the war dog:

Counter Charge
Return
Added Defence..+2...i think
overall awesomeness
1 point

I counter charge killed a MoW Shocktrooper (yes Khador vs Khador), the guy could not believe it...mind you I did roll double 6's and i think a 4 LOL

[Karl Eller]

It honestly depends on the caster, and how you play them. If you tend to be fairly aggressive with your caster, the War Dog is probably the better choice due to free strike immunity, +DEF and counter charge, while Sylys is a better choice for support casters who have a lot of upkeeps and a few combat spells (eg pIrusk, Old Witch).

[mostholycerebus]

Depends on the caster, as mentioned above. pButcher is gonna get way more mileage out of wardog frex, because Butcher loves combat. So far, eSorscha has become amazing for me under Wysh's influence, she actually gets off some freezing grips that can be game changers. Suck it, Haley!

[frostaxe]

It has been hard for me to fit the dog in lately. If I am playing a caster who I intend to keep at least one upkeep up most of the game, then I bring the elf. The extra focus is just too good. Also I played a game the other day with Psorcha and the +2 range for tempest was great. Love the dog though, just not using him much anymore. I might with Hark because he like to be up front near a jack.

[Wisible]

Nice job, Jake the Dog!

I've never used Wishnailer but I pretty much always use the wardog. I'm super agressive so it really helps to have the free strike immunity and the def buff.

[Jake the Dog]

Nice job, Jake the Dog!

I've never used Wishnailer but I pretty much always use the wardog. I'm super agressive so it really helps to have the free strike immunity and the def buff.

I didn't do the art. My brother (Monly here in the forums) did. He is a graphic artist and pencil artist by trade, so he did it as a semi-commission (no payment, just me bothering him for it ).

[Havock]

Character restrictions.

I think Sylys offers our focus-starved Casters (ie. most of them) and our spellslingers (just about the rest) too much.
A wardog only helps in the end game (because early game assasinations tend to be of the ranged variety)

I like the dog with eSorscha to bump her defense up to 'lolwut' levels, but free upkeep and a more accurate freezing grip can easily change the way she plays...

[MathPasta]

Dude- I can totally see Vlad running up a flight of stairs (with a sweater) and jumping onto Asphyxious going "LIIIIIIIIIIIIICH!"

[Jake the Dog]

Dude- I can totally see Vlad running up a flight of stairs (with a sweater) and jumping onto Asphyxious going "LIIIIIIIIIIIIICH!"

I'm so tempted to ask him to draw this.
Maybe Ice King as Harkevich... Bubblegum as Sorcha....but that maybe too busy for one picture...

[MathPasta]

No-The Butcher as the Ice King. But whatever. If You did that, I would throw never ending pies at you forever.

[Jake the Dog]

No-The Butcher as the Ice King. But whatever. If You did that, I would throw never ending pies at you forever.

Butcher lacks the manly beard.

[MathPasta]

yes, But the character contrast works much better. You can have him have a magic axe instead of a beard.

[scout's honor]

pButcher and pVlad get the dog, all the time.

pSorscha gets the dog more often than not.

With eButcher, eVlad and Strakhov I could go either way. 50/50.

The rest gets Wyshnallyr unless CR gets in the way.

[OMM_Lukav]

pButcher and pVlad get the dog, all the time.

pSorscha gets the dog more often than not.

With eButcher, eVlad and Strakhov I could go either way. 50/50.

The rest gets Wyshnallyr unless CR gets in the way.

I would say Karchev is more dog than elf. I understand that the thought will be to use elf on Tow or Sidearms, but frankly Karchev can afford the upkeep on them. If Unearthly Rage were upkeepable i would totally say Wyshnallyr was a auto include, since when you cast it you need your focus the most.

However it isn't and most likely you are going into melee combat with Karchev when it is cast, so the dog is a much more beneficial choice.

[scout's honor]

I would say Karchev is more dog than elf. I understand that the thought will be to use elf on Tow or Sidearms, but frankly Karchev can afford the upkeep on them. If Unearthly Rage were upkeepable i would totally say Wyshnallyr was a auto include, since when you cast it you need your focus the most.

However it isn't and most likely you are going into melee combat with Karchev when it is cast, so the dog is a much more beneficial choice.

I honestly feel that if it comes down to the dog keeping Karchev alive, I should probably already have lost. And Karchev is a jack caster that can't feed his jacks squat when it comes to focus on turns he casts UR. I vastly prefer the Sidearms approach over Tow, with at least one ranged jack and preferably two (or the Behemoth) - I always have good use for another focus point.

[OMM_Lukav]

I honestly feel that if it comes down to the dog keeping Karchev alive, I should probably already have lost.

I have to disagree with you there. Def 14 vs 12 in melee is a big difference. You are more likely to be able to have standard infantry whiff on you with 14 and the non-standard stuff is going to have to put some effort into hitting you.

[x3tsniper]

You take the wardog, clearly, because you only get one wyshnailer.

[Peg leg Pete]

Princess Bubblegum is clearly the Empress, sorscha is Marceline, Candy Butler is Irusk...

...i think i watch this show too much.

[Jake the Dog]

Princess Bubblegum is clearly the Empress, sorscha is Marceline, Candy Butler is Irusk...

...i think i watch this show too much.

Marceline strikes me as Denegrah. She is undead and has her own plots.

[tehhelios]

To me, 1 extra focus makes my turns flow better usually. So i guess its cause im lazy

[Madhiggins]

war dog every day all day. if you start letting mercs into your army then you're diluting the purity of khador. what's next, Eiryss in every list? besides, khador casters are supposed to be played up front, bold and brave. not cowering in the back with some elf massaging their shoulders.

[Septimus]

Well, as a Zerkova player, I love me some Wyshnayler, but the war dog saved my bacon in a Strakhov game earlier today.

So you know, it depends on who you're running and what you plan to do with them.

[Tyr852]

If it's a caster that for all intents shouldn't get in to combat , I go with the Elf , as a bonus he keep Eiryss company

[mostholycerebus]

I like the dog with eSorscha to bump her defense up to 'lolwut' levels, but free upkeep and a more accurate freezing grip can easily change the way she plays...

See, even running just Beast, ive never had 4 focus in my pocket when I needed it, unil I got Wyshnailer.

But, yeah, character restrictions for those tourney prepping basically mean one Wysh caster, two dog casters The Mutt is still very good for a point. I like what Reinholdt brings too, though mainly because i cant estimate ranges worth a dam.

Wysh goes great with my Eireyys, Nyss+Valachev, Aiyana&Holt list.

[KhaosSpectyr]

hes mans best friend. nuff said.
also i wanna get a small pug model for the wardog, but i cant find one. anyone know where i could buy one?

[Jake the Dog]

You take the wardog, clearly, because you only get one wyshnailer.

The Title is "Why take the Wardog over Wyshnalyrr?", over being the key word. That implies you having the option and taking the Wardog by choice, not because you can't pick Wyshnalyrr.
This isn't aimed at you, but to everyone here talking on Steam Roller Character restrictions.

[Gazzor1]

Cos my caster's the Butcher! He butchers things!* He stomps forwards and kills things stone dead, with his faithful mutt BallBiter helping out.

(To be fair most games he stays well back and the WG deathstar in my list shotguns a lot of stuff, but he did almost kill an Impaler with one axe hit once).

Gaz

[Kuarnix]

You can't use eVlad's feat on Wyshnalyrr. Just sayin'

[OldOneEye]

Because Butcher.

Also, Alexia is Marceline.

[thrasymacus]

I think of the Wardog as adding a spell in his +2 melee defense and out of turn activation. His ability to do really strange things on his counter charge and on his return move can really blunt a charge by killing a model and then blocking LOS and the charge lane. He can also run to engage an Arc node or counter charge an arc node if you position well. It's a one point model that can knock a good odds assassination run down to an unlikely assassination run. Offensively it can allow your caster to ignore free strikes in a pretty generous bubble. See Jamie P use the Wardog to assist in a win in a very close game here (go to 16:10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMz8...feature=fvwrel

[philipcryx]

"Why take the Wardog over Wyshnalyrr?"

because Wyshnalyrr is a dirty elf...

[IronComrade]

pButcher and pVlad get the dog, all the time.

pSorscha gets the dog more often than not.

With eButcher, eVlad and Strakhov I could go either way. 50/50.

The rest gets Wyshnallyr unless CR gets in the way.

My sentiments exactly.

[vintersbastard]

I like what Reinholdt brings too, though mainly because i cant estimate ranges worth a dam.

You're aware that Reinholdt is not an attachment, and can therefore be taken in addition to one of the others, right?

[Frege]

I must be slightly odd.

I take sylys with Zerkova. i am 50/50 for both irusks and everyone else gets the dog.

I look at the benefits of elfy as primarily the snp on 1st spell and then the 2" range. Free upkeep is awesome but i don't feel i need that. The ward just makes your caster that much harder to kill between the def boost and parry but counter charge is the money too.

[PG_ChainGun]

I can't think of a situation in which I'd rather take the elf over the dog for a front line caster. The DEF bonus saves me games, pure and simple.