35 Point Kara

[Janitor Panda]

So I used to play a couple years ago, mostly with my friends' models and a little of my own Skorne.
I recently picked up my own group of Cygnar since I really love the faction, jacks, solos, units, warcasters...everything, love the faction
Anyway, i wanted to pick some peoples brains on my idea for a 35 pt Kara list;

Kara +6
Triumph 11
Defender 9
Squire 2
Reinholdt 1
Stormblades +UA +WAx2 10
Gun Mages 6
Rhupert 2

My Other models include:
Gun Mage UA 2
Hunter 6
Arlan 2
Journeyman 3
Black 13th 4
E Eiryss 3
Aiyana & Holt 4
and including the above warjacks i have 3 plastic heavy kits and the triumph upgrade.

Again, even though I have a pretty damn good grasp on the game itself I am essentially new, especially to Cygnar so, thoughts?

[Iceman8352]

First of all, welcome to Cygnar. My first suggestion would be that if you are running the Arcane Tempest Gun Mages, you almost always want the UA with them. The ability to mitigate stealth is an amazing ability against so many things. I'd suggest possibly dropping the two Stormgunners to add them in. I'm still a little unsold on Triumph. I like the fact that he has Arcane Precision, but I'm not sure that it is really worth two more points. I know I stated that the ability to mitigate stealth is good, but the two points from a Gun Mage UA gives the ability to seven models as opposed to just one. Triumph is a little more durable than a standard Defender, but it also loses most of it's melee abilities that make it useful if you have to engage an opposing heavy. I'd seriously consider dropping it down to either a Defender or maybe a Cyclone. The Cyclone gives you more board control to go with your ATGMs, and the two points you save could be used for that Gun Mage UA.

[jking_3rd]

Drop your regular Defender, and the Stormblades. Instead bring 2x Hunters and the ATGM UA marshalling a Grenadier. I thought you should know that Kara is typically a great caster with Triumph, since she actually does benefit the jack, unlike its affinity caster Siege. But you could easily drop him for extra points to play with.

Why? 2x Defenders are usually great, but with Kara, the Hunters can be bolsted and dangerous. The ATGM need the UA for anti stealth. And he allows you to marshal a jack. For 5pts, you'd be tempted to bring a Minuteman, but the UA rune bullets are quite effective on the Grenadier. I might even consider dropping the Squire for a crew of Trencher Chaingun to maximize your Grenadier shots.

[Janitor Panda]

nx for the feadback so far, I see wha your sayin with the ATGM UA and I'll. Prolly drop the triumph down to a Efender for it.
And while the other suggestions do seem very sound I don't have the models for them. I'll probaly run different suggstions with proxies just to see though.

Furthermore I do have 2 more questions;
What do you think of Precursor Knights with UA as a tarpit
And when JMing on he ATGMs would you prefere a Cyclone or a Hunter.
Niether of those are really for the 35pt list but something for me to think about with 50pts and so on.

[jking_3rd]

Precursors make a great tarpit as long as you bring the UA for Ranked Attacks. But only for Kara and other small based models, like Kara, Reiny, or even the ATGMs. Angthing w/ larger bases just negate thier Ranked Attacks.

W/ Kara, b/c of her Feat, the Cyclone tends to be the better JM jack. This is basically the same reason for taking the Grenadier. Boosted attack rolls on Thunderbolt runeshots = knockdown. Which is actually the tarpit, since a model knocked down must forfiet its move or action.

[tankrandall]

I am trying out putting a hunter on the dude at 35 rather than on Kara, I think I like it. I like the cyclone on the dude at 50. The stormblades are good if you bring rhupert and JR..mostly JR. I also think gorman is about an auto-include between smoke, rust, and black oil. I wouldn't use triumph and Kara really doesn't need a squire, I was using Arlan for a while he still gives that 1 focus but he also has a spray and can be great on feat turn. PKs could work but really you want a tarpit with assault because of deadeye/feat that makes Boomhowlers and Stormblades 1 and 2 IMO.