Two 50pt invitational lists....Need advice.

[Scotty]

Hey everyone,

So I'll be heading to diecon for the 50pt invitational and these are the lists that I plan on using so I thought I would run it by the community and get your advice on how you think they will hold up.

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Casters: 1/1Points: 50/50Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast (*6pts)
* Defiler (5pts)
* Deathjack (12pts)
* Malice (9pts)
* Skarlock Thrall (2pts)
Bile Thralls (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Satyxis Blood Witches (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
* Satyxis Blood Hag (2pts)
The Withershadow Combine (5pts)
Pistol Wraith (3pts)
Pistol Wraith (3pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

Renforcments : Harrower 10pts

System: Warmachine
Faction: Mortenebra - Infernal Machines
Casters: 1/1Points: 50/50Tiers: 4Master Necrotech Mortenebra (*4pts)
* Helldiver (3pts)
* Helldiver (3pts)
* Scavenger (4pts)
* Harrower (9pts)
* Reaper (6pts)
* Reaper (6pts)
* Slayer (5pts)
* Slayer (5pts)
* Slayer (5pts)
Necrotech & 1 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
3 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
3 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
3 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

Reinforment: Leviathan (9pts)

Please offer any suggestions, I would very much appreciate them.

[Gamingdevil]

I don't really have experience with Morty, so I'll comment on eSkarre.

What do the WSC really bring for eSkarre? She's already cutting herself for upkeeps and you have the Blood Hag for dispels. Sure it's less reliable, but there aren't that many upkeeps that you really, really want gone. That just leaves them since they mesh so well with Malice.

Malice is good with her, since you only need one focus to reliably get a drag off, with Seas of Fate. Personally, I'd rather have another melee jack, instead of Malice, to have another jack bullet vector. I keep saying this when I discuss eSkarre, but I really like Nightmare for this. He solves one of the biggest holes in Skarre's spell list: Ghost Walk and he has en excellent threat range, hits as hard as DJ against his prey and even more accurate.

I don't like Bile Thralls with her. Theoretically she can protect 1 or 2 with her feat, but ideally you'd want this to protect both your heavies + your caster, and either some of your key solos or the few things of your opponent that can actually hurt you (Ravagores, Behemoth, his caster, etc.) Using a point on a Bile Thrall is kind of a waste, not to mention all your opponent has to do is run something in melee with them, you don't have Ghost Walk and the'll be perfectly vulnerable next turn.

I like Satyxis Raiders since they can jam your opponent as early as turn 1 (if you go second), giving you some breathing room to advance.

[The Junkie]

Does she "need" a Skarlock? I agree with Gamingdevil on the WSC and Bile Thralls. That frees up 12 points for a Captain and max Raiders + UA. The Captain makes Skarre immune to knock down and that seems pretty awesome.

I would like to hear how your Morty list does. 10 Scrap Thralls AD sounds really fun.

[Scottl1]

The skarlock can cover the withershadow by just recasting a spell instead of upkeeping if you want to free up points. Though if you if like the drag the withershadow can allow for a reroll instead of worrying about boosting. Though I would drop malice down to a reaper and get a necrosurgeon to patch up Skarre especially due to her feat and if you use her blood trade ability.

I would keep the biles due to the both lists lacking troop removal. Both seem designed to smash heavy armor and not infantry. I mean yes they can trample but that's unreliable vs good opponents who space out troops well.

[Scotty]

Valid points and these are the two units I was wavering on, unfortunately I don't own the raiders yet and there's just no way I could buy them and have them ready in time but once I get them I will be fitting them into my list. Only other infantry option I have for her is a full unit of blackbanes or nyss hunters.

Malice is in the list for a few reasons, this list will be going agsint mostly WarMachine armys if I get an even spread, Morty is my go to hords list. Malice with admonation + predition is amazing, after a few souls I have Malice at armor 20 with admonation up and DJ with deathward at armor 21.

I have the Withershadow in here for added dispell because getting the hag in there won't always be an option, and If I don't have to cut myself for upkeeps even better since I don't own a necro surgeon, and of course they combo with malice, and I love puppet strings.

I am also kinda meh on the biles but they deal with high def/winterguard very well, and they serve as a great distraction unit since your opponet has to deal with them before they get in purge range. It is also possiable if however unlikely that I could get the bloodwitches into melee then mini feat, and have the biles purge over them. Honestly I could easily lose them, but I just can't think of a better filler for five points.

I do like the idea of the Nightmare with her, I almsot never use him so It would be nice to get some use out of the model so I'll have to see if I can get him in there somehow.

[Scotty]

Just a little update, I played a practice game tonight with my Morty list against a Khdor player and his new colossus. I played the list above aginst his harkevich army with a full unit of winterguard+standard and joe, conquest, Behemoth, Black Ivan and the dog.

It was a tuff match and alot of fun, I managed to pull out the win with an assasination since I couldn't do much about the conquest sitting on the objective in a King of the Hill match so I just contested the best I could and went in for the kill.

I have to say 10 advance scrap thralls are amazing, only three lived but managed to take out over half of the winter guard which the harrower finnished up in short order. I was very unimpressed by the conquest, other then being annoying and hard to kill it did very little for him in this match or even the match before that he won aginst another player at 35pts. The conquest just tries to do to much but excels in none of them.

I managed to get the caster kill on turn four by using my helldrivers to first slam the dog, then the behemoth into his caster which I was then able to finnish off with the harrower. All in all it was a good match, like I said the conquest is very meh. Allstars for the match would have to be the harrower and helldrivers for sure and honorable mention goes to the scrap thralls for doing just what I needed them to do.