So, PP about eVyros...

[Nafael]

Can he please have pathfinder so he can gain access to it with the rest of his army since easy rider can't give it to himself? No?

(Crude representation of ultimate sadness)



Vyros would cry more, but he has only one eye from which to cry.







(His other tearduct is blocked by the eyepatch, and his empty socket is just /filled/ with tears).

[Houston]

Retribution could always get access to a mercenary or faction solo that gives a model/unit pathfinder. Would make sense seeing how Ios is entirely mountains and forests. Menoth, Cryx, Cygnar, and Khador all have that option. Retribution might get one eventually.

As a side note: Vyros does not cry. He just gets even.

[Jake the Dog]

Can he please have pathfinder so he can gain access to it with the rest of his army since easy rider can't give it to himself? No?

(Crude representation of ultimate sadness)



Vyros would cry more, but he has only one eye from which to cry.







(His other tearduct is blocked by the eyepatch, and his empty socket is just /filled/ with tears).

Colossals is already printed. I doubt he'll be errata'd to have it.

[jandrese]

Vyros has pathfinder now, but sadly his Horse does not.

[Lord Sessadore]

As a side note: Vyros does not cry. He just gets even.

QFT.

Colossals is already printed. I doubt he'll be errata'd to have it.

Also true. This request is probably 6-8 months too late, really. I'm only aware of errata being used to balance a model once, and that was to nerf Gaspy2's feat, so I doubt they'd do an errata to give this minor of a buff.

[Custardboy]

There are a bunch of casters who deserve it more than him. So meh.

[Refyougee]

QFT.
Also true. This request is probably 6-8 months too late, really. I'm only aware of errata being used to balance a model once, and that was to nerf Gaspy2's feat, so I doubt they'd do an errata to give this minor of a buff.

eGaspy was nerfed twice

[ShockFist]

Why does Easy Rider not affect himself?

[Falkman]

Because Easy rider only works on models who start their activation in Easy rider's affected area. Since it wasn't up when Vyros started his activation he doesn't get the benefit.

[Kallas]

Friendly Faction models beginning their activations in this model's control area gain Pathfinder. Easy Rider lasts for one turn.

You do not apply triggers (in this case, the trigger is beginning your activation) retroactively.

So, Vyros's activation looks like this:
- Vyros begins his activation
- Vyros casts Easy Rider
- Since the trigger for gaining Pathfinder has passed, he doesn't benefit
- Vyros is saddened by his lack of Pathfinder.

Self-quote!

Flawless victory!

Edit:
Damn ninjas...

[KainMalice]

What the hell...

I want to play Retribution, and then you go and do this!?

[HellecticMojo]

Skorne here with skornegy.

suffering maks you stronger.
Being pointy ears is suffering.

[lifelesspoet]

Skorne here with skornegy.

suffering maks you stronger.
Being pointy ears is suffering.

I'll be fair, I haven't complained once since domination came out. We may have some polished turds but I don't find the faction lacking access to much.

[bouncymischa]

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One man's contradictions are another man's toolbox set. :3

Personally, I look at Vyros2 and see a warcaster that can help my army no matter what I take, or what my opponent brings. Take a bunch of jacks? Go for Synergy. A mass of infantry? Deflection. Rough terrain? Time for a little Easy Rider to get whatever I bring where it needs to go. He's not a cookie-cutter auto-list-building kind of warcaster, where you just plug in the obvious modules and play, and I find that quite appealing about him.

[KainMalice]

Personally, I look at Vyros2 and see a warcaster that can help my army no matter what I take, or what my opponent brings. Take a bunch of jacks? Go for Synergy. A mass of infantry? Deflection. Rough terrain? Time for a little Easy Rider to get whatever I bring where it needs to go. He's not a cookie-cutter auto-list-building kind of warcaster, where you just plug in the obvious modules and play, and I find that quite appealing about him.

You do realize that jack of all trades, master of none typically means that you just get hosed hard, right? I mean, if you want to sit around and play Mediocre at everything, that is fine. Just don't expect to win any tournaments or get angry when you find yourself getting stomped by noobs at yours LGS. Whatever, I have Gators, and those guys are full solid machinery.

[bouncymischa]

You do realize that jack of all trades, master of none typically means that you just get hosed hard, right? I mean, if you want to sit around and play Mediocre at everything, that is fine. Just don't expect to win any tournaments or get angry when you find yourself getting stomped by noobs at yours LGS. Whatever, I have Gators, and those guys are full solid machinery.

Heheh, I'll freely admit I care nothing for competitive play. Which just means that Privateer has now handed me a warcaster I can fully enjoy playing.

I presume this also means you're not buying into the Gator complaints about being unable to deal with Colossals, or heavy armor in general? :3

[KainMalice]

I presume this also means you're not buying into the Gator complaints about being unable to deal with Colossals, or heavy armor in general? :3

Why would I? Parasite still exists. Plus charging Gatormen Posse will do plenty of damage.

[Rogue Sun]

You do realize that jack of all trades, master of none typically means that you just get hosed hard, right? I mean, if you want to sit around and play Mediocre at everything, that is fine. Just don't expect to win any tournaments or get angry when you find yourself getting stomped by noobs at yours LGS. Whatever, I have Gators, and those guys are full solid machinery.

You're kidding right? Some of the most powerful casters in the game are toolbox casters. They excel because they can adapt to any play style, any opponent and any situation. The one trick pony casters (AKA "The masters of something") have HARD counters and if you know what their one trick is, they're pretty easy to deal with.

[PG_Deist]

You do realize that jack of all trades, master of none typically means that you just get hosed hard, right? I mean, if you want to sit around and play Mediocre at everything, that is fine. Just don't expect to win any tournaments or get angry when you find yourself getting stomped by noobs at yours LGS. Whatever, I have Gators, and those guys are full solid machinery.

You are right. Severius 1 and Saeryn are excellent examples of toobox casters who are absolute trash and unplayable. That Doomy 1 Tier list that Flanzer brought to LnL or the Vayl 2 list that Jake brings are way too toolboxy to work in the real game.

Wait whut?

[PG_Deist]

I don't think Parasite will help enough against an arm 24 Galleon.

[ChristianAas]

I don't think Parasite will help enough against an arm 24 Galleon.

So, let's start with Hexblast then?

[isawatsuke]

i think we will see a lot more evyros complaint threads because retribution players are waiting for "the one". their warcaster which is as strong as ehaley egaspy saeryn or any of the other factions top tier casters. I expect them to get disappointed a lot. If the faction gets a strong caster then it makes the mediocre line up we currently have obselete.

Same reason cygnar cant get good in faction melee troops.

I think its really a matter of mk 3 to have these issues addressed.

[Wishing]

Also true. This request is probably 6-8 months too late, really. I'm only aware of errata being used to balance a model once, and that was to nerf Gaspy2's feat, so I doubt they'd do an errata to give this minor of a buff.

Also errata tends to be reserved for nerfing, not to buffing. There have been lots and lots of nerfing errata throughout the years, but I can't think of a single (direct) buffing errata.

Though you might argue that he was supposed to have pathfinder and it was an accident that it was left out, in which case it would be a typo correction rather than a genuine after-the-fact buff...

[PG_Deist]

So, let's start with Hexblast then?

So you Hexblast, then cast Parasite to bring him back to base 19. Calaban is also within 10" of the Galleon, so you better hope you can finish him =)

[Harvester]

Hehe or else that poor warlock is gonna end up as boots, bags and belts :-)

[Kallas]

i think we will see a lot more evyros complaint threads because retribution players are waiting for "the one". their warcaster which is as strong as ehaley egaspy saeryn or any of the other factions top tier casters.

[snip]

I think its really a matter of mk 3 to have these issues addressed.

I'd much rather have all the ridiculous casters be nerfed into MKII. Having a powerful piece would be cool, but bad for the game (as it'd just be more of the same.)

As it is, we still have to deal with these ridiculous level things. That rankles...

Here's hoping they do a MKII.5 rebalance, or something...

[AJ the Ronin]

i think we will see a lot more evyros complaint threads because retribution players are waiting for "the one". their warcaster which is as strong as ehaley egaspy saeryn or any of the other factions top tier casters. I expect them to get disappointed a lot. If the faction gets a strong caster then it makes the mediocre line up we currently have obselete.

Same reason cygnar cant get good in faction melee troops.

I think its really a matter of mk 3 to have these issues addressed.

Funny thing the regulars on Ret forum seem to be quite pleased with eVyros and Hyperion. At least that the impression I'm getting.

[PG_LunarSol]

Also errata tends to be reserved for nerfing, not to buffing. There have been lots and lots of nerfing errata throughout the years, but I can't think of a single (direct) buffing errata.

They gave the Tentacle Tower fearless so it would stop being afraid of itself.

[Mastershake]

They gave the Tentacle Tower fearless so it would stop being afraid of itself.

That was a question of rules intent, an oversight. eVyros not having Pathfinder doesn't strike me as this although I would love it to be the case.

[Legrasse]

They gave the Tentacle Tower fearless so it would stop being afraid of itself.

More because it was afraid of Thagrosh, luckily he was really good at calming it down.

[Draznar]

Its not much different than Vindictus not benefiting from his own +2" & Pathfinder via True Path due to the "beginning their activation" clause. I'm always surprised those types of spells don't just say "This model & others beginning their activation...." As it does seem odd for Warcasters to not benefit from their own this type of spell.

But then again, he does already have Pathfinder and +1SPD higher than most Menoth Warcasters. Perhaps PP felt eVyros having SPD 8 was enough?

[KhisanthMagus]

Its not much different than Vindictus not benefiting from his own +2" & Pathfinder via True Path due to the "beginning their activation" clause. I'm always surprised those types of spells don't just say "This model & others beginning their activation...." As it does seem odd for Warcasters to not benefit from their own this type of spell.

But then again, he does already have Pathfinder and +1SPD higher than most Menoth Warcasters. Perhaps PP felt eVyros having SPD 8 was enough?

How is it "not much different" considering that he already has pathfinder?

[Draznar]

I just meant that he has a spell that doesn't affect him, but everyone else. Vindictus does have something to mitigate this while Vyros doesnt. Vindictus is what pops to my mind as soon as I read the OP thread is all.

[PG_possiblyarowbot]

You do realize that jack of all trades, master of none typically means that you just get hosed hard, right? I mean, if you want to sit around and play Mediocre at everything, that is fine.

Dude, have you heard of Ret? All we do is mediocre at everything.

[Mastershake]

Dude, have you heard of Ret? All we do is mediocre at everything.

The only 2pt solo that can kill a cygnar heavy in an activation unassisted would like to have a talk...Right behind her is the only unit in the game with Arcane Assassin and Phantom Seeker.

[FranzGrenstein]

The only 2pt solo that can kill a cygnar heavy in an activation unassisted would like to have a talk...Right behind her is the only unit in the game with Arcane Assassin and Phantom Seeker.

I take it you are speaking of MHA, average armor on a cygnar heavy is 18, MHA is p+s 9, dice -9 on four dice that is (14 average) 5 damage over so 10 damage on to the cygnar heavy. That is a big piece out of the jack but I doubt it will kill it.

Dice has a lot to do with it.

[Lord Sessadore]

I take it you are speaking of MHA, average armor on a cygnar heavy is 18, MHA is p+s 9, dice -9 on four dice that is (14 average) 5 damage over so 10 damage on to the cygnar heavy. That is a big piece out of the jack but I doubt it will kill it.

Dice has a lot to do with it.

On the other hand, a maximum roll on four dice is 24, which ends up doing 30 damage to a Cygnar heavy.

He said 'can kill', not 'kills on average rolls'.

[KhisanthMagus]

I never really liked the MHA due to how random they are. They can either completely destroy a warjack/warbeast in one hit(or even sometimes warlock/warcaster), or fail to do anything just as often. You are basically spending 2 points for a coinflip.

[Mastershake]

I never really liked the MHA due to how random they are. They can either completely destroy a warjack/warbeast in one hit(or even sometimes warlock/warcaster), or fail to do anything just as often. You are basically spending 2 points for a coinflip.

Oh no, I paid 2pts for a model that can change/win a game with a single dice roll, but sometimes it does nothing, woe is me.

[quindraco]

Oh no, I paid 2pts for a model that can change/win a game with a single dice roll, but sometimes it does nothing, woe is me.

Perhaps this will help you understand Khisanth's point of view. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value