[Colossals Spoiler] Is it Voyle on this picture ?

[Matthaeus]

Hello there gentlemenites,

I was browsing deviantart for some Warmachine goodness and found an interesting picture, apparently from Legends...



(Original here.)

On the left, no doubt allowed : Coleman Stryker.
On the right, a Menite with fist weapons and in unusual arm-baring regalia, maybe a high-ranking monk... And it just happens to be Stryker who struck down Hierarch Voyle, who himself was the founder of the Order of the Fist.

So, can someone confirm ?

[Demeritus]

Yes that is Voyle.

[charlzheimer]

it is awesome....voyle looks awesome...he'll be missed.

[Matthaeus]

That was quick ! Thanks Demeritus

Nice to be able to put a face... er, a mask on such a prominent figure in the lore. This artist's job is amazing.

Dear PP, please release a book, half artbook half fluff compilation for the MkI content... Then shut up and take my monies.

[GermanJoe]

Nice to be able to put a face... er, a mask on such a prominent figure in the lore. This artist's job is amazing.

Dear PP, please release a book, half artbook half fluff compilation for the MkI content... Then shut up and take my monies.

Signed! That would be really awesome for everyone, who started playing in MK II

[John Q.]

Signed! That would be really awesome for everyone, who started playing in MK II

It would also be considered awesome by many of us who started in Mark 1.

[Halabaloo]

Hello there gentlemenites,

I was browsing deviantart for some Warmachine goodness and found an interesting picture, apparently from Legends...



(Original here.)

On the left, no doubt allowed : Coleman Stryker.
On the right, a Menite with fist weapons and in unusual arm-baring regalia, maybe a high-ranking monk... And it just happens to be Stryker who struck down Hierarch Voyle, who himself was the founder of the Order of the Fist.

So, can someone confirm ?

So a long story short, Voyle was kicking the butt of anyone who got in his way and the Harby almost dies from martyring Vilmon when Voyle tosses him aside like Andre the Giant punting a puppy. Harby tells Stryker that the only way to kill Voyle is with her sword. Stryker grabs the blade, which startes to give him 3rd degree burns roughly, and kills Voyle.

For a perspective on how strong Voyle is, in the original IKRPG he was about lvl 34. So in D&D terms, Godly. On another note, I believe Voyle was the first Monk.

[Alzer]

Yeah Voyle was the first Monk. He started the Order of the Fist.

Also cheers for the fluff snippet on that I had a half-clue about what went on.

Lvl34 Monk/Cleric? I am terrified forever.

[drachenfels]

. Harby tells Stryker that the only way to kill Voyle is with her sword. Stryker grabs the blade, which startes to give him 3rd degree burns roughly, and kills Voyle.

which is funny cus that pic still shows him wielding the Quicksilver MKII

[Alzer]

It may be the beginning of the battle, before Harby gets aced :P

[Moknim]

Umm...Can we get him reborn as a caster? I mean, Harby did it - I think he should too.

[Halabaloo]

The picture is the start of the fight when Stryker moves to intercept Voyle.

[Matthaeus]

I have a feeling politics would get messy were he to make a comeback...

I agree something should be done with this character. I love to imagine an Epic Amon inspired by his design !

[jandrese]

He could easily show up again as a character Vessel of Judgement.

[Rinion]

The picture is the start of the fight when Stryker moves to intercept Voyle.

I believe the picture is from an earlier encounter between the two. Voyle one-shots an Ironclad, and Stryker moves to take him down. As expected, Voyle deflects the blow without any effort at all and almost takes down Stryker before Caine barges in to save him.

Stryker later converses with someone (Leto?) about how strong Voyle is. The reply is, basically, that Voyles faith and belief is completely absolute, and for all purposes he is literally invincible.

The incident where he gets killed is interesting, in that only Harbinger and Stryker know what was said and how it really went down. Everyone (onlookers) assumes he stole Harbys sword, but she handed it over, saying the quote I have in my signature.

Voyle overstepped his bounds as Priest-King, and Menoth felt this would hinder His efforts.

[oconnor0]

The incident where he gets killed is interesting, in that only Harbinger and Stryker know what was said and how it really went down. Everyone (onlookers) assumes he stole Harbys sword, but she handed it over, saying the quote I have in my signature.

Voyle overstepped his bounds as Priest-King, and Menoth felt this would hinder His efforts.

How did he overstep his bounds? And is it that Voyle alive would hinder Menoth's efforts or that Menoth needed/wanted Voyle dead (to make him into something else)?

[jandrese]

Basically, Menoth said: Don't go in there yet, or you will die. But Voyle said, "Look, I'm not getting any younger here, and I'm the strongest mortal in all of Caen, it's time to do this!" The Menoth goes "I told you so" and Voyle dies.

[Soda Breeze]

so the real question is:

Voyle vs. Vinter.

Who comes out alive?

[TheLat]

so the real question is:

Voyle vs. Vinter.

Who comes out alive?

That, my good man, is easy to answer: They both survive. But no one else within a couple miles does.

[PG_Zeber]

Fun Fact : Those small blades/punching gauntlets could slam and total a Jack' in 1 hit.
True story !

And another Fun Fact : Not even the weight of crashing Jack's could harm Voyle.

[vvp]

Basically, Menoth said: Don't go in there yet, or you will die. But Voyle said, "Look, I'm not getting any younger here, and I'm the strongest mortal in all of Caen, it's time to do this!" The Menoth goes "I told you so" and Voyle dies.

when the floating representation of your god tells you that you are being a **** maybe cut it out is the lesson to be learned

[Joasht]

Sure makes Sevvy seem like a wimp in comparison....

[Fish76]

The direct cause of Vilmon turning against Voyle (and subsequently Harby martyring Vilmon) was Voyle firing upon Menite civilians with Redeemer rockets. The swans were trying to do something of a prisoner release to buy some time. That cascaded quickly into the events above.

Voyle was not a nice guy.

[Charming]

It was actually Feoras warjacks shooting away but on the Hierarchs orders!

[jandrese]

Yeah, Voyle was not a warcaster.

[MetaphoricDragon]

I've always liked that pic, took me awhile to place it for sure as Voyle though. That being said I think there's two ways Voyle may have an in game impact, either as a character Vessel of Judgement, or if, as much as I like Oblivion, Amon goes epic and adopts Voyle's gauntlets.

[Spyde]

Wish there was a model that looked like that..

Even if it was Amon 2.0

Then again, i dont want another 6 Foc Caster.

[Terraneaux]

Voyle was not a nice guy.

Caspia most likely wouldn't exist as distinct from Sul, however, if Harbinger hadn't intervened to sabotage the attack.

[PG_Nicodemus]

Like Grim Angus, Amon goes epic with a pair of monks beside him and Voyles gauntlets.

Oh yes, he will...

[jandrese]

Caspia most likely wouldn't exist as distinct from Sul, however, if Harbinger hadn't intervened to sabotage the attack.

Listen, the God-Creator of Man saw that it was a bad idea. He knew that taking Caspia would cause all of Cygnar to rally around the king and finally wipe out the Protectorate once and for all. As awesome as Voyle is, one man cannot hold an entire city, the attack was doomed before he ever started it.

[Runewyse]

Also of note, No Quarter 21 has a spread on how one of the PP guys converted an Amon into a Voyle. It was for the Legends diorama. Its pretty sick.

I recognized Voyle in the OP's pic mostly because of that horsehair sweeper he rocks. It's like he is always trying to fan Menoth with some holy wind.

[baronvonchaos]

I want to voice a "yes please!" to a fluff and artwork book for all the mk1 stuff. I didn't buy legends or metamorphosis because they were changing everything for mk2 and I didn't see a point in all of it until I got into the fluff. It's great fluff! I just want a book to keep everything in line. I've read stuff out of order and now I'm missing a big gap from legends/metamorphosis. That's a sad panda right there.

[Stinkmeaner]

I hope Voyle is our next Warcaster in the next book that comes out. Vintner mentioned to Feora that Sevvy is probably going to die on the crusades, and if this comes true I am crossing my fingers for a resurrection of Voyle when Sevvy goes down....

[MidnightFox0083]

which is funny cus that pic still shows him wielding the Quicksilver MKII

Actually, it shows him with some sword we've never seen.

Quicksilver(both versions) are Caspian battleblades and thus flare are the tip, not come to a point.

[Sygerrik]

Actually, one man can hold an entire city. That man is Voyle. He was literally invincible until Harby decided otherwise. He couldn't be injured by any attack or force and there was no defensive mechanism or technique that could stand up to him... the best mechanika and best effort in Immoren could only delay him long enough to safely retreat.

Seacat's talked about this until he's blue in the face, but ultimately, the Harbinger made the call. The Harbinger is NOT Menoth. She has a direct line to him but she is an individual force who has her own aspirations, and not everything she says can be presumed to be the immediate and direct will of Menoth. However, because of her special status and connection, when she makes a decision it is presumed to be in accord with the will of Menoth. She did not stop Voyle from firing on the wall, though she easily could have. She voiced her disagreement and allowed him to do as he wished. When Vilmon confronted Voyle, she chose to save Vilmon's life, but even then she did not choose to strike down Voyle-- as, again, she surely could have. Voyle's reaction to her act of martyrdom convinced her that it was Menoth's will that he be removed as Hierarch, and she then empowered Stryker to do so.

Notably the reason Stryker couldn't kill Voyle prior to this was that he couldn't hit him-- Voyle's skills in combat were so far out of Stryker's league (and, really, basically anyone on Immoren's) that he couldn't deliver a blow. But Providence never misses.

The thing to understand here that a lot of people miss is that the decision to remove Voyle was not a strategic play on the part of Menoth or the Harbinger, it was not n-dimensional chess to preserve the Protectorate. It was a simple chain of cause and effect, leading to Harbinger's belief that Voyle needed to be removed. Menoth is not a kind and merciful God and the simple act of firing on those refugees was not sufficient cause to remove him-- Severius has done much worse and retains his title. Nor was it intended to save the Protectorate, as Menoth's will led to much more suicidal attacks launched in prior days. It was Harbinger's call, and while we can presume that she is suffused with the power of Menoth and in tune with His agenda, she does not have a 24/7 phone line open to him to consult before she does anything.

[Soulblighter]

I can still see Kreoss faceplaming and shouting "You jumped into a sword. You retard!"

[Halabaloo]

I hope Voyle is our next Warcaster in the next book that comes out. Sevvy has all but admitted to Kreoss he is going to die in war, which is why he appointed him Intercessor, and made him in charge of all militant orders, so that when he DID pass, Protectorate wouldnt fall apart in civil war. I am crossing my fingers for a resurrection of Voyle when Sevvy goes down....

Listen. Next time you decide to ramble in a post about fluff from a book that isn't out yet, be polite and considerate to those of us that have not heard/read it for ourselves. What you did was really uncool.

[StefDa]

Listen. Next time you decide to ramble in a post about fluff from a book that isn't out yet, be polite and considerate to those of us that have not heard/read it for ourselves. What you did was really uncool.

I agree wholeheartedly. I had absolutely no idea about the fluff quoted in your post - until now, that is.

[Stinkmeaner]

I sincerely appologize. A good percentage opf my gaming group has it, so I just assumed. I dont go to the LGS that often. That is my fault. I AM a jerkoff, but not for this reason, completely and sincerely a mistake.

[Alzer]

I'd just like to point out the duality that is spoilers in the fluff vs. crunch spectrum.

If you spoil crunch, you are worshiped as a god.

If you spoil fluff, you are burned at a stake.

I think a simple "Spoilers:" with gray lettering always works. That one wasn't too bad.