Why are Colossals FA:2??

[Hatdecoy]

What it turns into is Player with two colossals kills any threat to it and sits back and wins as his opponent slams his head into the wall.

Have you seen these in actual play yet, or is this all just theorymachining?

[wargrim]

Sure win on scenario with my 2 models that can't be moved

What it turns into is Player with two colossals kills any threat to it and sits back and wins as his opponent slams his head into the wall.

have fun with armor 27 22 hit boxes darius.

Love this analysis. So we've got two colossals that obliterate your heavy hitters from the other side of the field, while still being able to hold objectives and without using focus. Man this things are broke
And of course, there is no problem for cygnar to kill eyriss. At 35 points, they just take 2 stormwalls and then all this great anti-stealth things for 3 points....

[watchgeorgerock]

You guys can hate on my post all you want but when you are getting destroyed by the lists with two colossals just think of me grinning.

[Azuresun]

Have you seen these in actual play yet, or is this all just theorymachining?

I'll go with theory.

Love this analysis. So we've got two colossals that obliterate your heavy hitters from the other side of the field, while still being able to hold objectives and without using focus. Man this things are broke

That about says it all. Like all unbalanced lists, it'll beat some opponents, get some way on surprise value, but will also have outstanding weaknesses that get countered quite easily. Preparing for the possibility of two colossals isn't much different than preparing for Berserker spam, Doom Reaver spam, Exemplar spam or high-DEF infantry spam.

[Tyr852]

You guys can hate on my post all you want but when you are getting destroyed by the lists with two colossals just think of me grinning.

And when this rarely happens , what do we get? not saying that 2 Colossi won't be a complete pita and will wreck face in some games but unless it's Haley with TB up they aren't any worse ,as people have mentioned, as 4 heavies. Like wise thanks to the holy powers that be you can field if you wanted 6 crusader jacks for the same price as 2 Colossi who will very easily beat the tar out of 2 Colossi and that's been in the game since MKII.

[wargrim]

You guys can hate on my post all you want but when you are getting destroyed by the lists with two colossals just think of me grinning.

1. I don't think people hate your posts. Such deep and personal feelings toward a simple post seems pretty exaggerated.For me, it's more a disliking of unjustified doom-crying and unfounded dismissal of arguments.

2. And of what should we think, if we win against 2 colossals? You crying in a corner? That we are the best player in the world? That it's proof for near doomsday? That Doom is doomed?
Or maybe that 2 colossals aren't harder to kill than 4 jacks and easier to block from advancing?

[Chouraku]

Having fought against the impenetrable might of 2 Konquests + Strakhov using the super amour cracking skills of a 35pt tier 3 Ghost Fleet list (Hah!) I can safely say they are going to be pretty damn easy to deal with. If Seethers + revenants can do the job then anything can.

[PG_jamano]

The real question is who would bring 2 conquests with strakhov... has to be the worst caster to do that with

[Tyr852]

Sentry/Superiority double the movement on feat .. maybe not first choice but certainly not the worst caster for it.

[2LiveIs2Die]

If you can afford 2 colossals you can afford 2 bane thrall UAs

[Zombied00d]

The problem with a ton of theorymachine is that it involves perfection on either your part or your theoretical opponents part. Perfection doesn't exist therefore a lot of theorymachine doesn't relate to the tabletop well at all.

I think it would be very intersting to see how a two collosal list performs at 35. I honestly think it would turn into an extreme game of Rock, Paper, Scissors, but hey ... maybe I'm wrong.

Sir, upon the release of the Mountain King I shall take you up on this. Using pDoomy...

[PG_jamano]

Sentry/Superiority double the movement on feat .. maybe not first choice but certainly not the worst caster for it.

upkeeping occulation and superiority and casting sentry doesnt leave much focus for the 10 ranged attacks they make in a turn, and unless i'm remembering wrong its not a virtuoso/whatever behemoths rule is so if you charge for the feat you dont get to shoot, limiting thats effectiveness a lot. plus its not utilizing his best spell(overrun) Though just from the nature of khador i don't think anyone would really want to bring two conquests. cept maybe pvlad, because everythings better with pvlad.

[Dan from Chicago]

Sir, upon the release of the Mountain King I shall take you up on this. Using pDoomy...

I hate to tell you this, as it might be extremely disappointing, but the Mountain King is not a collosal ...

[King-of-Storms]

I hate to tell you this, as it might be extremely disappointing, but the Mountain King is not a collosal ...

Colossal? Trolls? Wait a second...

[quindraco]

Actually, truth be told, I am one of the few who is anti-120mm base. I will not be getting anything on one of the huge bases, aside from the project I have been slowly working on as a spoof.

You will not see any gargossal engines in any of my armies. Ever.

I don't believe you. I think you're going to buy a blank CD and do a diorama on it of Gatormen forming GatorVoltron, declare it your Gargantuan, and field it in casual play.

Bet you a dollar.

[Dan from Chicago]

Love this analysis. So we've got two colossals that obliterate your heavy hitters from the other side of the field, while still being able to hold objectives and without using focus. Man this things are broke
And of course, there is no problem for cygnar to kill eyriss. At 35 points, they just take 2 stormwalls and then all this great anti-stealth things for 3 points....

Darius, Siege, Cpt. Caine and the Haleys would only have 2 points to play with left

[PG_Lankira]

so people would buy two (or more)

So Aggamenom will buy 6 for his unbound games.

How did I know Aggie would at least get a mention in this thread? Oh wait, because Aggie owns ALL* THE THINGS.

*Assuming it's Cygnar, of course. And it's always in multiples.

[tjhairball]

So why aren't they unlimited like most other non-character jacks? I mean, really, if someone wants to get 3 in at 50 points, why not let them try?

... say, the Behemoth is smaller than a Colossal. Can we have FA:3 on it?

[MagnustheJust]

I don't believe you. I think you're going to buy a blank CD and do a diorama on it of Gatormen forming GatorVoltron, declare it your Gargantuan, and field it in casual play.

Bet you a dollar.

I'll take that bet!!

Also, I'd like my winnings as a crispy new bill that has not been folded...

[jandrese]

Like I said before, FA: 2 is basically FA: U on 18-20 point models. FA: 1 would have mattered somewhat, but FA: 2 is basically not a factor.

[Antigonus]

Like I said before, FA: 2 is basically FA: U on 18-20 point models. FA: 1 would have mattered somewhat, but FA: 2 is basically not a factor.

75 point games are still 1 caster, aren't they?

[jandrese]

Yes, but when was the last time you played a 75 point game?

[Antigonus]

Yes, but when was the last time you played a 75 point game?

Touché - though the last time I played at any point size was last year, so I might not be your best counter-example...

[The_Bionic_Labrat]

You guys can hate on my post all you want but when you are getting destroyed by the lists with two colossals just think of me grinning.

and when this doesnt happen? When double collossal lists dont take every con in 2012 and 2013, and utterly dominate the meta, what will you say and do? When we're not being destroyed, will you eat your own words?

I await this day of destruction eagerly. as will all my iron fangs, men o war, doom reavers (all 50 of them) and the rest of my Khador legion. and we won't be found wanting.

[Soulblighter]

Because 1 stormwall with haley isnt broken enough. so they let you have two.

[Mustakrakish]

Why not?

10char

[viperidae99]

Because they should be FA:U but PP instituted some balance? Seriously, if you're one of the 'major world players' in the IK (like Khador, Cygnar etc.) and your neighbour starts mass producing bigger machines of war, well...I guess you'll do the same. Colossals are the next model in warjack design, and are being rolled out for dominance by all the big players. It's an arms race.

I mean, consider what a nuclear bomb is capable of, and then tell me how many countries that have nukes only made one and called it a day.

[jandrese]

I've never understood why most non-character warjacks are FA: U when non-character units top out a FA: 3 honestly. For some units the FA matters, but that's almost never the case for FA: 3 units. Units where the FA matters can keep their FA, but everybody else should have just gone FA: U. Either that or non-character jacks become FA: 3.

I know it doesn't matter much, FA: 3 and FA: U are very similar unless you're trying to break the game, but it still bugs me how the arbitrary the difference is.

[MagnustheJust]

Personally, I really wish they would bring back the nitch from Mk-I :

Warjacks of Renown


This was a good mechanic, and I can understand why they dropped it in MK-II...

[lastspartacus]

After, shamefully to my productivity, having already dozens of games with and against colossals, I feel even the Stormwall is great and fine at 1 in a last. Two really make it a usually negative experience, requiring not just a 'rock, paper, scissors' kind of thing, but in an extreme fashion.
If colossals is rock, you need an unnaturally papery army to beat it.

[quindraco]

After, shamefully to my productivity, having already dozens of games with and against colossals, I feel even the Stormwall is great and fine at 1 in a last. Two really make it a usually negative experience, requiring not just a 'rock, paper, scissors' kind of thing, but in an extreme fashion.
If colossals is rock, you need an unnaturally papery army to beat it.

I lack Stormwall experience, but I've fielded Conquest twice now, and neither time has my opponent needed to use an exotic list to drop him like a brick that has been dropped.

[lastspartacus]

I may be mistaken, but I thought we were talking about using two colossals in a list, and the value of it.

[Lord of Death]

Personally, I really wish they would bring back the nitch from Mk-I :

Warjacks of Renown


This was a good mechanic, and I can understand why they dropped it in MK-II...

I'm going to assume you meant, "...can't understand..." in that last sentence and agree with you completely. I'm sure it had something to do with getting rid of rules bloat, but I thought that the Warjacks of Renown was largely a fluffly thing that gave us some fancy jacks based off other chassis. Meh.

On Topic:
I thought everybody was doom crying that Colossals were too weak?

[computertrucker]

They did it to make more money which they are going to succeed at.. (starts handing PP his hard earned money)

[MagnustheJust]

I'm going to assume you meant, "...can't understand..." in that last sentence and agree with you completely. I'm sure it had something to do with getting rid of rules bloat, but I thought that the Warjacks of Renown was largely a fluffly thing that gave us some fancy jacks based off other chassis. Meh.

Yeah... I need a new eyboard. Some of the eys don't regiter.

[Havock]

And I believe they have a little less health than two of their faction's heavies and are all in one nice place.

The better question is when is PP going to make you start paying points for all the coal these things burn.

Not fair, cryx-boy.

[PG_Ghool]

Because having one big robot on your side of the table looks really cool.
Having two big robots on your side of the table looks even cooler.

Seriously.

Play a game with two painted Colossals, and watch the new players flock around your table.

That's the real reason they're FA:2.

[Blackraine]

Is it just a money making scheme? I just dont see the fluff justifying it. I see it being an issue with game play balance. One colossal is hard enough to take down. Why not just FA:1? 1 makes so much more sense.

Am I the only one who feels this way? I just don't want the meta to turn into trying to take down 2 colossals with every list.


yah yah i know. DOOOM!!!!!

The Iron Kingdoms, like any government, subscribe to the basic governmental philosophy: "Why buy one when you can have two for twice the price?!"

[Blackraine]

What I want to know is when Protectorate players are going to have to start spending points on all the lozenges for the Choir for all the singing they have done and will continue to do especially for Judicator.. I mean can you imagine how loud they will have to yell their chants for Menoths blessings to reach that things head?

We taught them to lip sync... that's why they only "know" 3 songs.

[watchgeorgerock]

So again why are Calvary FA:1? or UA's FA 1? I would have no issue with a special theme force having FA:2.