Seaforge - Gorten Tier 4 50 pts. Thoughts please :)

[AaronB13F]

Ok so i'm buying all these models listed when i get home, and i'm thinking this is gonna be really damn good especially if played smart. I think for alot of situations i will have to go for Scenario wins. I just love the Dwarves though, so i gotta play 'em. (Here's hoping they get a badass battle engine!)

Gorten Grundback +7 Total 50
Basher-7
Driller 6
2x Blaster 6
2x Full Gun Corps 16
1 FRee UA
+1 ua 3
2x Full Forge Guard 16
1 Artillery Corps

Ok so this is my initial thoughts, this gives me +4 to my deployment zone and AD on my Highshields. With Advance move on my Battlegroup. Now i'm a little unsure about the Rhulic Mercenary Solos, that dosen't mean characters right? So i can't take Thor or Herne and John?

Can you skip tier 3 and get tier 4?

So my thoughts on playing this army are, with being so far up the board in the begining i'll easily be able to force scenarios, I'm still deciding if bricking up with the shields and Gorten (need to actually try it) since no blast damage and no KD would be pretty sick. Or spreading them out especially in the later parts, i'm thinking with good positioning and all the Ranked Attacks, the Forge guard will be behind the Shield Corps, able to charge through them (not literally) but with reach and good placement, making them alot harder to get too, while the Shield Guard soak up alpha strikes.

That's my general Idea for those guys, so i was thinking literally to force scenarios with my guys bricked around Gorten, the Blasters on the flanks, and the Basher and Driller up the middle.

With Molten Metal i can drop 24 dmg onto a Colossal if need be. And Dbl Tap with my Shields. on full CRAs. Not guaranteeing a kill, but a good chance .
Oh yah and using rock wall to block Charge Lanes and such, while trying to pop my feat early on the Scenarios. Pick up what kills i can, or obliterate what i can.
and Blocking LOS with Eruption since it's a cloud effect. As well as blocking Charge lanes.

Also if i can take the character solos for the Tier, that might change up my thought process here.


Ok so please be kind I don't have alot of experience with Dwarves at all, but i can't wait to play and i'm excited, i know i'd have alot of trouble against incorporeal models, and stealth. But that again is the idea of forcing the Scenarios with hard to crack targets. (i hope). Also i'm not looking to change the list up too much! but if you think there is something i could take instead that would enhance it much better then let me know .

[Grauenacht]

First of all, you made a great choice for choosing the Rhulics. For Gorten's tier list you can have any rhulic model available except Gudrun, so Thor and Lord rockbottom are your only character solo choices, you can also take the excellent Brun and Lug and of course the Bokurs.

For your list, I would drop the artillery corps ( too expensive and stationary), add Thor and an Avalancher or JM the basher to him for extended slam range. Place a rock wall behind and slam away . Brun and Lug are my personal favorites to take in a Rhulic army, because they are focus efficient and hit lick a sledgehammer.

[mosez]

Sadly, Molten Metal only affects a single grid of the colossal. i also hoped that this spell might have gotten useful after all, but alas... here is the link to the infernal post: http://privateerpressforums.com/show...=1#post1480329

And there seems another mistake in your thoughts... you cannot go tier and contract at the same time, you have to choose between them. So when going tier, you get AD Highshields and Advanced Move, but lose the 4" of Searforge for your whole army. It cancels out somehow, but the Forgeguard will stay behind (there might be some other benefits of the tier, which I don't recall right now...) However, I would usually go with Searforge, as all Rhulic Tiers are somehow crappy (except Ossrum's)

You also don't have Shield Guard in your list, you'd need a Bokur for that.

And ALWAYS take Herne & Jonne before the Artellery Corps, if you want AOEs. They are the same points and are just WAY better.

Also, try to fit Thor into your list. You have 5 units anyway (even with H&J), and you need only 4 to get the Tier bonus. He's the best model Searforge has in its ranks...

[AaronB13F]

Ok this is great! Thank you guys for responding This is the kind of info i need!

I wasn't sure if H&J Counted towards the 4 units required for the tier bonus! They do because they are a character UNIT right? Ok that's a big bummer, i was thinking the contract plus Tier would make them exceptional! Even with the holes i'd have struggling against Incorporeal and such.

That's a huge bummer on Molten Metal, and makes sense unfortunetly, but really would have made it fantastic!

Ok so first off, i can't STAND the H&J Models, i just think they look terrible. However, I honestly would like to play a Seaforge army competetively. So yes i understand why taking them over the Artillery Corps, but the fact that the Artillery Corps dosen't need LOS to hit their intended target can be pretty damn good with a 16 inch range. That' just my thinking on that, though with Ossrum's ability they are sounding alot cooler. So if i was to go with Seaforge contract instead....I'm thinking my list would look a little more like this.

Gorten Grundback +7 Total 50
- Driller 6
- 1x Blaster 3
- JM to Thor Basher-7

1x Full Gun Corps 8
+1 GC ua 3
2x Full Forge Guard 16
Thor 2
Brun & Lug 9
Ogrun 3

I could switch out the Ogrun or the Blaster for H&J Depending on how i was feeling or needing.

So what are some of the serious problems i would run into? And What scenarios would i have alot of trouble with?

Would a Artillery Corps count as a Unit? Like towards the having 4 units?

[WarlockFiretopMountain]

Artillery Corps are Units. So are H&J: I think I saw you refer to them as solos earlier in this thread.

[Weezinggg]

I would replace the artillery with Hernne and Jonne, and drop the forge guard units to min units and grab two more gun bunnies, that will get you all the tiers and be a more balanced list IMHO.

Also the +4" deploy doesnt stack with the tier list.

[WarlockFiretopMountain]

the fact that the Artillery Corps dosen't need LOS to hit their intended target can be pretty damn good

Are you aware that your High Shields and Forge Guard have Ranked Attacks, meaning that they don't block line of sight for friendly models? Basically you can always shoot through your HS and FG.