merc collosal and rhulic

[PG_dralzen]

is there anyway that the dwarves can use the new merc collosal or are we not able to as it does not have a rhulic cortex? just wondering as i have a full rhulic list that has now expanded into highborn. would love to be able to play it with my dwarves.

[moddball]

Sorry but human caster only cannot be marshalled.

[SportsComedian]

Ahem, here's how. Now this would be the worst ever. But he can be put on a Journeyman Warcaster, I believe. So if you played Gorten or Madhammer for Cygnar, took a Journeyman, it could technically be in their list. It would be incredibly crappy on him compared to a caster, and I don't think Arcane Shield can be put on a non-faction model, but it would be there, freaking out your opponent.

Could run Stormwall as well I guess, but most dwarf spells are friendly faction or battlegroup spells. I know SOG is.

[sleet01]

You're funny, SC Unfortunately, the Journeyman can only run Cygnar warjacks. Galleon pretty much has to be on a Merc warcaster. Of course, rather than going Cygnar/Merc, you could go Merc/Merc.

[Rancor]

Put strength of granite on a driller. Hey look, a collosal.

[moddball]

A Jmc can run a Stormwall. Dwarfs don't get a big bot yet but maybe in the future.

[Rancor]

We wont get a Colossal, but when the Merc battle engine gets released, it's most likely going to be Rhulic. Sort of a "Sorry about the no biggins guys...here, have a big drill."

[SportsComedian]

What rule prevents the Journeyman from running a Galleon? It can run Merc jacks I thought.

Actually, having a Stormwall and the dwarves, I might try out Gorten with it. A major problem I've had so far is that the Stormwall gets mucked up in a bunch of troops or nonsense and then can't move the rest of the game.

Using Gorten's feat for clearing them all out of the way and giving a charge lane to the caster would be epic, or better yet, feat and pull all his units into the stormwall's 2 inch melee range. Sweep power attacks hitting so many units.

It may have to be tried!

[CyrDraconis]

What rule prevents the Journeyman from running a Galleon? It can run Merc jacks I thought.

The Journeyman is a Cygnar model.

[SportsComedian]

Oooooo, another idea for Stormwall and Gorten: lay down a 6 inch line of covering fire, and push a bunch of enemies through it with the feat. They would take damage from entering it, right? All the benefits of the feat, but an extra POW 12 on those going through the AOE.

[rydiafan]

What rule prevents the Journeyman from running a Galleon? It can run Merc jacks I thought.

You were mistaken.

[SportsComedian]

Ah. Well poop.

[PG_LunarSol]

We wont get a Colossal, but when the Merc battle engine gets released, it's most likely going to be Rhulic. Sort of a "Sorry about the no biggins guys...here, have a big drill."

Huge base with Burrow would be hilarious.

I burrow. I run a whelp by the marker!

:'(

[sleet01]

Da Hoppah
Character Rhulic Battle Engine solo.
PC 9

4 12 6 6 10 20 -
Wounds: 24

Abilities:
Go Airborne (*Action): Place the "Feet Go Here" marker anywhere fully within 6" of this model, with its center point in this model's front arc, then remove this model from the table. Effects on this model expire. This model cannot Go Airborne if it used Go Airborne during the last round. Return this model to the table during your next Control Phase after models replenish their focus but before focus is allocated. When it returns, place it centered on the marker's location. Any models within 3" of the marker suffer a POW 12 Slam damage roll and are slammed d6" directly away from the center of this model. Any models that are within this model's base radius after being slammed are removed from play.

Anti-Personnel Pods (*Attack) - Models B2B with this model suffer a POW 16 blast damage roll. Other models within 3" of this model suffer a POW 8 blast damage roll. When this model charges, instead of making a charge attack it can make an Anti-Personnel Pods attack. An Anti-Personnel Pods attack does not need a target. After an Anti-Personnel Pods attack, this model can make additional melee attacks.

Kinetic Reactive Armor:
When this model is damaged by an enemy melee attack, it gains one Kinetic Energy token, up to a maximum of 3 tokens. During its activation this model can spend these tokens to boost attack or damage rolls, or to purchase additional melee attacks.

Weapons:
Grasshopper Kick x2: Reach, Critical Smite, POW 5, P+S 17.

[PG_Devilsquid]

Interesting bit of fluff: In the Merc section, Ossrum compares the Conquest to the rhulic colossals...

[maxxev]

Oooooo, another idea for Stormwall and Gorten: lay down a 6 inch line of covering fire, and push a bunch of enemies through it with the feat. They would take damage from entering it, right? All the benefits of the feat, but an extra POW 12 on those going through the AOE.

Arn't those templates worded to be advanced through or remain in, not pushed, though it would mean they would be in the template during thier turn.

also as it was questioned above, arcane shield is friendly only, not friendly faction .

[SportsComedian]

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...ring+fire+push

This thread says being pushed into templates works, as do several others dealing with templates on the rules forum.

[sleet01]

Covering Fire is "enters, or ends its activation in". Pushing things into them is totally legit

[SportsComedian]

It's 2 legit. 2 legit to quit. I'm gonna battle test this tomorrow.

[OMM_Lukav]

I wouldn't be shocked to see them start working on the Rhulic's colossal sculpt as soon the gargantuans are released. As for the rules, i would be willing to bet that the rules are already worked out.

[MagnustheJust]

Hang about!! Hang about!!


Remind me again why we are discussing the electric chicken gargossal engine's tactics in the Merc forums???

[sleet01]

Remind me again why you keep posting in the Cygnar threads?

Anyhow, it *is* possible to have Mercs interacting with Covering / Suppressing Fire templates. For instance, if Gorten is facing - and this is ridiculous on the face of it, I know - a unit of Long Gunners who place their Suppressing Fire template right in front of themselves, he may decide that pulling them into their own template to be shot to death by their own bullets might be just the thing for using his feat on. A lot of Cygnar players are advocating running a layer of troops in front of their Storm Walls and then protecting those troops with Covering Fire, too; feel free to make them regret that decision.

[Kenlen]

Anyhow, it *is* possible to have Mercs interacting with Covering / Suppressing Fire templates. For instance, if Gorten is facing - and this is ridiculous on the face of it, I know - a unit of Long Gunners who place their Suppressing Fire template right in front of themselves, he may decide that pulling them into their own template to be shot to death by their own bullets might be just the thing for using his feat on. A lot of Cygnar players are advocating running a layer of troops in front of their Storm Walls and then protecting those troops with Covering Fire, too; feel free to make them regret that decision.

Oooh, I like how you think

[WarlockFiretopMountain]

Highborn or Four Star, Dwarf caster, plus Rutger Shaw marshalling a Galleon?

[sleet01]

Colossals can't be marshaled.

[WarlockFiretopMountain]

Colossals can't be marshaled.

Thanks. That's a pity!

[WarlockFiretopMountain]

if Gorten is facing - and this is ridiculous on the face of it, I know - a unit of Long Gunners who place their Suppressing Fire template right in front of themselves, he may decide that pulling them into their own template to be shot to death by their own bullets might be just the thing for using his feat on.

This is ludicrous. I can't wait to use it. I will have a hard time justifying it to my opponents though. By the rules, it's possible, but it's not 'realistic'.

I may have to repaint my Gorten with black goggles and trenchcoat. Forget hammer time, it's bullet time.

[StJason]

It's also doable with Grundback's Eruption spell. Cast it on one end of your opponent's squad, feat, and drag them through it.

...hrm... So what happens if you put a Rock Wall on the far side of the cloud? You sqoosh them up to the wall, they all burn from the cloud. End your turn, they start theirs, do they count as 'moving through' if their activation begins in the cloud? That might make Eruption worth it...

[sleet01]

Sorry, StJ, no dice. There are exactly *two* trigger conditions on AOEs like that:

1) Entering. Entering occurs when the mode was not within the AOE, and then, through some effect or movement, becomes within the AOE. Pushing models into the AOE triggers this.
2) Ending activation. The model has to activate and then be within the AOE when it ends its activation (so models suffering from Stationary are exempt).

If a model activates within the AOE and then exits the AOE, it suffers no effects from that AOE. Now, if you hit something slow (like SPD 4 troops) with Gorten's feat, pushed them into the Eruption AOE, and then put a wall in front of them, there's a good chance the targets wouldn't all be able to escape the AOE on the next turn. I'm not sure how useful this would be, though.

[PG_Ironmonger]

Interesting bit of fluff: In the Merc section, Ossrum compares the Conquest to the rhulic colossals...

Yep, that caught my eye right off the bat, too. It's hard to say if what was meant was an extant Colossal, or if he was musing on the Colossals the Rhulfolk created to send the Orgoth packing.

[PG_Ironmonger]

Interesting bit of fluff: In the Merc section, Ossrum compares the Conquest to the rhulic colossals...

Yep, that caught my eye right off the bat, too. It's hard to say if what was meant was an extant Colossal, or if he was musing on the Colossals the Rhulfolk created to send the Orgoth packing.

[MagnustheJust]

Remind me again why you keep posting in the Cygnar threads?

That's easy...

Slumming.

[StJason]

1) Entering. Entering occurs when the mode was not within the AOE, and then, through some effect or movement, becomes within the AOE. Pushing models into the AOE triggers this.

There is the clarification that I was looking for. I was fairly certain that was the case, but as the only AoE that I use that sticks around, I never use, I wasn't sure.

[MagnustheJust]

There is the clarification that I was looking for. I was fairly certain that was the case, but as the only AoE that I use that sticks around, I never use, I wasn't sure.

At the risk of being a wise-arse... That's why they sell this :





>muted trombone<

Wah wah wah waaaaahhh

[lastspartacus]

There almost certainly is a Rhulic Colossal in the works. They wouldn't mention it in the fluff if it was not intended to be a model, I'd think. That's just cruel.

[PG_Ironmonger]

Like the Orgoth?

Seriously, though, I just don't see it happening. Battle Engine? Well, we've been hearing that bit for more then a year now, and yet to see it. Only time will tell, I suppose, but I'm not holding my breath

[StJason]

God. Searforge players. You got a new model in this book, can't you shut up for a while? Sheesh!

[MagnustheJust]

God. Searforge players. You got a new model in this book, can't you shut up for a while? Sheesh!

Excuse me, Mr. Kettle... There is a call on line 3 from a Mr. Pot for you.

Shall I take a message?

[MagnustheJust]

There almost certainly is a Rhulic Colossal in the works. They wouldn't mention it in the fluff if it was not intended to be a model, I'd think. That's just cruel.

Seriously though... On the way home from the LGS last night, were discussing this.

Back at Temple Con, they said that Merc players were in for a surprise. While I doubt it will happen due to cost - both production and retail, the idea of a Rhulic colossal did come up.

Personally, my money is still riding on a Mercenary battle engine...

[StJason]

Excuse me, Mr. Kettle... There is a call on line 3 from a Mr. Pot for you.

Shall I take a message?

...sorry, he'll have to wait. I'm dealing with a complaint call from Mr. Obvious about you. Apparently you didn't get it.