Menoth Warcaster Lord Alexander

[Menolith]

This is the model that i wanna use for this
Lord Alexander, Crusader for Menoth
Protectorate Warcaster

SPD 6 STR 8 MAT 8 RAT 4 DEF 14 ARM 16 CMD 9

Final Judgment
POW 6
P+S 15
Reach
Weapon Master
Magical Weapon
Critical Countinuos Fire
Thresher (* Attack)

Feat: Cleansing Wave
While In Lord Alexander's control area all friendly models get +3 to STR & DEF and gain Flame Burst

Special Abilities
Inspiration [Protectorate of Menoth models]
Pathfinder
Aegis
Elite Cadre [Paladins] – Friendly Paladin models gain Rapid Strike.

SPELLS

Chasten
Death Sentence
Crusader's Call
Cleansing Fire


FOCUS 6
DAMAGE 19
FIELD ALLOWANCE C
WARJACK POINTS +6
SMALL BASE

OK so this is try one now tell me what u think =)

[John Q.]

A P+S 18 weaponmaster that can boost? Nope. Sorry, but that's mental. I know Molik Karn can do it, but there's a reason Molik costs 11 points and everyone hates him.

Add to that the fact that his feat brings him to a P+S 21 weaponmaster... That's way too good.

[Menolith]

A P+S 18 weaponmaster that can boost? Nope. Sorry, but that's mental. I know Molik Karn can do it, but there's a reason Molik costs 11 points and everyone hates him.

Add to that the fact that his feat brings him to a P+S 21 weaponmaster... That's way too good.

figured id throw that out there would it be better if he went without weapon master

[bloodspiff]

With Thresher...
Same as above, way too good even if the warjack point were only 4.

Spiff

[John Q.]

Well, I assume he's supposed to be a paladin caster yeah?

So weaponmaster would be pretty thematic. Drop him to about P+S 14 and it becomes more reasonable. It's still a MAT 8, P+S 17 weaponmaster, with thresher, on feat turn. Which is crazy good.

Also, Aegis and Steady are a bit too much together, they remove too many ways to kill him, especially when he can already bump his DEF up to 17 on feat turn. I'd say drop Steady.

Or, have it so he can pick one a turn. Something akin to Xerxis' Battle plans, but only for himself.

I'd also drop his Focus to 6, just because there doesn't seem to be any reason for him to be at 7 other than you wanted him to be really powerful.

With those changes, I think he'd still be really good, but not broken.

[Menolith]

that better?

[John Q.]

that better?

Yeah, quite a bit better

(I usually hate smilies, but I realise that without it my tone through this thread may seem a bit... rude. That wasn't my intention. I actually quite like your idea.)

[Menolith]

(I usually hate smilies, but I realise that without it my tone through this thread may seem a bit... rude. That wasn't my intention. I actually quite like your idea.)[/QUOTE]

thanks for the help now that thats done i can do the rest of the work towards putting this on a table....new thread coming up =)

[ExiledinElysium]

Ditch weapon master. Kreoss is the leader of the entire Exemplar order and even he doesn't have it. The devs intentionally left it out for balance. Units can only boost on a charge, but a warcaster can boost every attack if he has the focus. It'd just be absurd. Only one 'lock and one 'caster have WM, and neither is a melee monster. Also ditch Reach, if you mean this guy to be an in-your-face melee caster. If he's going to be dishing it out, he should have to face the music and take it too.

Your idea and effort here are great, so don't take this the wrong way, but this 'caster doesn't feel much like a Paladin to me. The Order of the Wall is all about protection--defending the weak. I'd want a Paladin warcaster to be a melee support piece. He wades in the thick of things, is really hard to kill or dislodge, and most of his abilities help the rest of his army survive. He'd be able to rally fleeing troops (since he wouldn't be leading too many Exemplars), grant a unit Tough or a one-off ignore damage, get harder to kill as he takes more damage, and get more lethal as his fellows die around him. He'd kinda be the anti-Naaresh.

To put it succinctly, you've gone mostly offense here, and I think a Paladin 'caster should be mostly defense. What Lord Alexander would be awesome as is a medium-based Exemplar 'caster. He feels a lot like a Cinerator warcaster. Change the name and Elite Cadre abilities and you're really onto something. He wouldn't be a high rank, though. He'd just be Aleksandr Preovich, Crusader of Menoth--a pious uncompromising Khadoran of the Old Faith who journeyed to the Protectorate to better serve his God. That's what I just made up anyway. Sorry if I'm stepping on your creative process...

[Cyber-Leader-3]

I agree with ExiledinElysium. He could be a good warcaster, but not a Paladin warcaster.
As for the current model, I suggest dropping the SPD to 5 and losing Pathfinder. low SPD is something we're used to in the Protectorate, and makes sense with all that armour. Pathfinder just seems strange. There's no reason to have it, and makes him even more powerful because your enemy can't hide behind rough terrain or anything. I agree that Weapon Master might be too powerful, and I'm a little worried about his feat. Flame burst is pretty powerful, even with it's low range. Can you imagine a unit of Daughters versus some tightly packed infantry? Maybe put Flame Burst in the models in his battlegrooup only, but keep the stat buffs army-wide.

[Warsmith_Ckaile]

Okay instead of telling you what should be changed I am just going to do you first post and do edits in red.

Lord Alexander, Crusader for Menoth
Protectorate Warcaster

SPD 5 STR 7 MAT 8 RAT 4 DEF 14 ARM 16 CMD 9

Final Judgment
POW 6
P+S 13
Reach
Weapon Master
Magical Weapon
Critical Countinuos Fire
(Thresher removed)

Feat: Shield of Thrace
Friendly Faction models that remain in base contact with other friendly faction models currently in Alexander's control area gain +3 DEF and ARM, Steady, and are immune to continuous effects. Shield of Thrace last for one round.

Special Abilities
Inspiration [Protectorate of Menoth models]
Aegis
Elite Cadre [Paladins] – Friendly Paladin models gain Rapid Strike.
(Pathfinder removed)

SPELLS

Chasten
Flashing Blade
Crusader's Call
Cleansing Fire


FOCUS 6
DAMAGE 18
FIELD ALLOWANCE C
WARJACK POINTS +6
SMALL BASE

This version, especially the Feat are much more in line thematically with Paladins of the Wall.