Jason What?? Please step forwards

[mcpolle]

Hi there,
Was listening to a podcast the other day, do believe is was the MoM, one, where they were chatting at the end, about Skorne, well I have just gotten me a great deal ona whole bunch of Skorne models, and they say to look up this Jason what dude, as he is apperently the "shizzle" :-)

So would Jason what, please stand up, please stand up :-)

WOuld love to hear any starter advice, have played my Khador for half a yr now, and am branching out with a Hordes army, to get the grips of how the fury system works.

So, Jason What, where r u now????

:-)

Polle

[Triumph Of Man]

You're looking for Lord Tyrant Watt. He posts pretty frequently in these forums.

While we're at it, will the real Batman please step forward?

[PG_petegrrrr]

There is an entire thread stickied at the top of this page full of nothing but advice on every model in the skorne faction, including advice from Jason and other well known skorne players.

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...-Skorne-Advice

[PG_lord tyrant watt]

Im here, just in mode.

Do you have any specific questions as a Skorne starter or are you wanting generalized information about how to use Skorne?

[mcpolle]

Hey there, and thx for the quick answer,have nothing specific as of yet, as am just starting out with them, do not want to use Molik just yet, would rather learn the army before the crutch :-)

What would be a good couple of starting casters?? And anything you can throw my way, in synergies, or the like would be great, am not asking for any kind of "net decking" or all your lists, as they will always be personal, but any good start up stuff, would be great.

Many thx.

[PG_lord tyrant watt]

What point size?

[mcpolle]

well I know the game, so would be startring at 50 points be stupid??

Otherwise 50 points, have a whole load of figs, got a great deal, so have most things, and have the book, just never seen them played, well not much anyway. So would be great to hear whats hot, and whats not :-)

Polle

[PG_TyrantAndrew]

And here I was going to offer advice, but I'm not Lord Tyrant Watt and I wasn't invited to this party </3

:P

[PG_petegrrrr]

50 Point Rasheth

Rasheth +5
Gladiator 7
Bronzeback 9
Sentry 8
Cannoneer 8
Full gatorman 9
Taskmaster 2
Agonizer x2 4
Full Beast handlers 3

Boom. 50 points of fun. You can trust me. I've been on podcasts

But seriously, there is a super in depth buyers guide on these forums that will give you exactly the info you want. Lemme see if I can dig it up.

Digging Complete:

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...e-Buyers-Guide

[PG_lord tyrant watt]

Sorry I didn't get back sooner, gotta work and all.

If your just starting Skorne, I highly recommend using PMakeda to get the feel of the faction. Her spell list and feat are simple and straight forward. She can play multiple ways in bricking, hit and run, and attrition. She's a very well rounded lock. She normally plays well rounded lists, but is not limited to it.

If your feeling fisky and want to lose some games starting out, I recommend PMorghoul. He takes a lot of finesse to play well, but if mastered can be extremely difficult to deal with. He will typically run beast heavy.

EHexeris is the new guy on the block, but is also IMO, the best caster we have to date. He offers great diversity in list building. There isn't a single model in the Skorne army that doesn't work well with him. He can clear infantry better than any other Skorne caster. He keeps beasts healthy, has a feat with options and can mess with the enemies fury. He will typically play with a well rounded list, but IMO favors mostly beasts.

When I get home this evening I'll post some lists and thoughts on some other locks as well.

[Swabilius]

/Waits by keyboard.

Tyrant Swabs

[Draekon Darkstorm]

Im here, just in mode.

Do you have any specific questions as a Skorne starter or are you wanting generalized information about how to use Skorne?

Of course you are in Arc Node mode, you are posting on the internet from a computer. Had you been in the same store to offer advice, you would be within your normal advice range and not need the extended benefit of the arc node.

Draekon

edit: Yes I realize he meant stealth mode, but he chose the wrong icon for that.

[mcpolle]

Tyrant andrew: the more the merrier, all parties are better when more people come:-)
Thx to Peter Grr for the list, and Jason have also been pretty busy today, so no problem, just appreciate the time, you are willing to use to help me getting going:-)

If you get the time when posting the couple of the lists, if you could explain the little tricks with the different locks, would help, because I know from playing Khador if you are running the death star without Joe, its not gonna work, so little things I need to know.

Thx again, really looking forward to getting started on this little project, and all fellow Tyrants are more than welcome to chip in, if we could get a really good starters guide going, can only be good for other new Tyrants :-)

Cheers

Polle

[PG_petegrrrr]

Once again I'd direct you to: http://privateerpressforums.com/show...e-Buyers-Guide

It has pretty much exactly what you want, including advice and opinions on every models and starting purchases from several notable players, Jason included, and lots of good discussion.

[Ranhothep]

Since you're familiar with the game allready, you might have a preferred playstyle you would like to bring over to your Skorne army as well. Skorne can accomodate you unless you wanna go Rahn-style magic heavy or Siege-style shooting heavy.

The Rasheth list posted above is a great one. I used it at the UK masters recently to great effect. It's fun and really powerfull, with nice combos and synergies to explore while being esentially a pretty straightforward fraight train full of steel bricks.

[mcpolle]

Well am certainly looking forwards to playing with a good few beasts as my Khador has been only a single jack at a time,

Polle

[Joasht]

I'm going to hitch a ride on this thread, since it has the attention of some of the more experienced Skorne players :X

I've always loved the aesthetics of the Cyclopes (cyclopi?), whatever form and manner they may be. Is it possible to run a decent Cyclops-based list? I typically do 35 points. Thanks!

[Rez]

Im here, just in mode.

Do you have any specific questions as a Skorne starter or are you wanting generalized information about how to use Skorne?

Your an arc node?

[Ranhothep]

Concerning Cyclops, I would probably look towards Naaresh first, since his feat makes Savages hit extremely hard and also survivable. Other casters can also run several of them, however you're usually better off with a few other pieces to form a well rounded army. Naaresh can focus on them best imo.
Generally, due to our great fury management, practically everyone can run beast heavy. Therefore, your army composition is usually determined by your caster's infantry buffs. If you have some, it makes sense to make use of them, if you buff just one unit (Naaresh with IF) at most, the rest becomes beasts with a bit of support (a cheap jamming is considered support as well )
A good example is the Rasheth list above. One unit for carnivore and general awesomness - the rest just beasts and a few support models. Although looking at it now, it is missing 5 points So that would be a Krea and Swamp Gobbers to make shooty armies pull out their hair in frustration

[PG_Jesus]

Tyrant Watts was correct in learning with pMakeda or pMorghoul first. They will both give you a good understanding of Skorne in general. Mostly there are a few key points I would point out.

* Paingivers. If you are new to the game or just Skorne in general these are auto include. Sure you could run with out them. But honestly why? They give free charges and +2str. Both of these are fantastic. They have 2 other abilities the other really useful one is the ability to strip fury from a beast. This is an amazing tool for fury managment.

*The Bronzeback Titan. You will not find a heavier hitting beast anywhere. Between his natural high melee, high fury score, and 3 initial attacks he is just a plain monster. He is worth every point you pay for him. If you are looking to put some hurt in your list via a heavy go with this.

*Skorne does melee. This obviously isn't a model. This is refering to the fact that playing skorne you will usually win or lose through melee. Shooting is available, and the past few books have been kind to us in this regard. However, where skorne really shines is in melee. We hit hard and most of our locks support this style with their spells and feats in one way or another.

Morghoul will give you better understanding of our beasts. Makeda will give you a good understanding of everything in our army. What ever you bring she will probably help it one way or another.

[Rynth]

All in all I don't think Cyclopes have the damage output, attack volume and fury count to work as the only beasts for an army. However, were I to try it I'd look to Xerxis.
True Naaresh can buff both STR and ARM for all the beasts on the same turn, but once that turn is over he has very little to offer them damage output ore ARM wise. Xerxis can increase a beasts melee damage to Naaresh feat level every turn via Fury and while Defender's Ward provides a lower ARM buff than Naaresh's feat it also buffs DEF and gets used every turn. Then on Xerxis' feat turn he drops an additional dice on them(statistically a similar effect to +3.5 STR) and potentially adding +2 ARM.

[Ranhothep]

The thing with Naaresh and the Cyclopes is, that he can support them much better with his speed and maneuvrability as opposed to Xerxis. This is imo a big difference. While it's true that Xerxis' buffs are used continually (which means they can be Eiryss'd ) It is possible to gain a huge advantage with one big push on the feat turn with Naaresh where the buff is "everywhere". Xerxis is slowly grinding the opponent down. Finally, with the faster Cyclopes a 10" controll area can become an issue.

[mcpolle]

What happened Jason, did you fall asleep???

Still looking forwards to your reply, when you get the chance.

Cheers

Polle

[chunky04]

He's at Diecon at the moment mcpolle, chill out.

[swirly]

What happened Jason, did you fall asleep???

Still looking forwards to your reply, when you get the chance.

Cheers

Polle

Looks like someone has a crush <3

[Delrogue]

He could spend some time reading the eleventy-billion other similar threads on this forum all offering advice.

Honestly, the best way to go is just dive in, because everyone has an opinion on what works for them. It's amazing how often these are vastly different.

[mcpolle]

Ok lets start out with, Yes I could do lots of other stuff, I have no idea where Jason is or what he is up to, and for the record I am CHILLED out, so now we have that straight, and as I said in the start was trying to find out who Jason is, because I heard about him on a podcast, and was looking for some of his stuff..
As also said about on the podcast to look up, but its tricky when you do not know the forum names.

So how about instead of others butting in, with snide remarks, if you have nothing good to add, or just wanna add snide comments, just don't.


Also understand that diving in and trying is the best way, but also again if people read about it, I was just asking for some general advice, thats all, I do hope this Skorne part does not end up like some of the other parts of these forums, it seems Cygnar people are much more friendlier than other factions, so instead of being snide, try being nice, it might actually improve these forums....

Polle

[Kurgash]

We torture baby animals, subject ourselves to horrible amounts of pain and have no qualms throwing Zap Brannigan level waves of our own men into the teeth of guns. Being nice isn't in the Skorne vocabulary.

[viperidae99]

Don't sweat it mcpolle. The key with every part of the forum is to ignore the posts you don't like and forge ahead. Watts' insights tend to make for interesting reads, and I often find, in a given situation in a battle report, he'll make a completely different choice to what I would've made. This is cool, because it teaches you new moves and a perspective you might not have considered, and he's got a solid record of high profile wins to back up his street cred (table cred? whatevs).

That said, there's lots of other good Skorners (ha) round here that can give you good advice, and many of the strategy articles are really in depth, so while I wouldn't hold your breath for any single poster, you might be surprised what's on offer.

[chunky04]

mcpolle, maybe you wouldn't get the snide remarks if you hadn't already done the same routine in at least the Menoth, Khador and Cygnar forums that I'm aware of this calendar year.

mcpolle: Hey guys I'm really excited for my new faction, who's the guy who's winning lots of tournaments, can you help me?

Top tournament player (TTP): Sure, what do you want help with?

mcpolle: Oh everything, teach me all of your secret awesomesauces!!!

<3 minutes pass>

mcpolle: OMG TTP, you haven't told me the meaning of life yet, ***?!?!?!?!?!

Another poster (usually me): chill out mcpolle, they're at tournament X right now.

mcpolle: Don't be snide dude, I'm a gangsta, I'll pop a jack in your beast handler!

OK, yeah, I don't even know where I'm going with it now.

Its OK to look and ask for information, just show at least a little bit of patience, and if you're not getting a response, trying channeling some of that energy into the search function, or google. Skorne players have been quite helpful in posting plenty of knowledge about their faction.

Sources of Skorne info from good players that I'm aware of:

Lord Tyrant Watt - primarily posts here that I know of - a forum search on his username should dig up plenty of stuff.

Benesh from Focus and Fury - multiple tourney wins and places with Skorne - he talks about them on multiple podcasts and has posted a fair bit on their forum (be careful, they're not overly new guy friendly)

John Snape from Boosted Damage - John was the top Skorne player in the UK, and has lots of stuff in their first 90 odd episodes regarding Skorne (admittedly, 9 out of 10 comments are that Karax are crap but their is the occasional nugget)

Delrogue - best Skorne player in Australia - has a Mammoth (pun intended) post on Wargamerau forum that goes into quite a lot of detail on the evolution of his Skorne lists.

Andrew Haidon - another good Australian Skorne player - is on the Warcast podcast.

carnage4u - writes articles for Muse on minis, just won Diecon Hardcore.

There is also a lot of solid information in the stickies, especially if you dig deeper and read the whole threads, where there are often little nuggets of useful protips and such.

That should be more than enough information to keep you going till Jason is able to reply, or till you switch factions again. Enjoy.

[whats82]

Chunky wins.

[mcpolle]

Yup Chunky wins, I give up, very well put by Kurgash and viperidae99, but Chunky actually made an informative post, as well as a funny one,

Just for the record Chunky, I first started with Menoth, and yes, found it quite hard to play as a first faction, too much too learn, as well as trying to get all the synergies going, so yes, asked for help, shoot me for that, changed to Khador, and a mate of mine in England told me to hit up Jamie P, as he is the best of the Khador players, so shoot me for doing that as well, I am really liking my Khador, do not post much on the Khador forum, do not post much at all, on many of the forums, as I find the feedback very varied :-), and yes I think I have posted maybe three times on the Cygnar forum, as a mate of mine who plays Cygnar, and answered a few of his BR, about our games,and I think I wrote once about their Stormwall, shoot me for that as well,
And lo and behold, I am getting myself a Skorne army, to learn more about the Fury mechanic, to try and have some fun with that, and got an incredible deal on lots of fig, of which I have no clue, on what they can do, as no one here plays them, well bloody hell ,shoot me for that as well, you must be running out of bullets..

But it is quite funny to see on a few of the faction based forums, that there are actually a few players, asking why they also are getting "snide, funny, or just down right Irritating", comments,
I know and can see that GW, have lost a lot of players becuase their games are going very hard down hill, and people are finding this a great alternative, i just hope, that people that come here do not get scared away, or forced away, because they ask for help. Think maybe you players that started back in the day, should try and start this game again, the game mechganics are easy enough to learn, but boy, there are an awfull lot of casters out there, and EVRY bloody model in the game has a special rule, so yup, might need to ask for some help, is that a bad thing, thought the forums were here for everyone, not just the oldies, that know the game and all the units and casters by heart,

And the last thing, yes, you have probably run out of bullets by now, or have probably stopped reading, glad I did not use to much of my time, writing this, instead of actually reading up on Skorne, but as a father with two kids, and a woman, and a full time, job, I do not get to read as much as I would like to, so again, with your last bullet, shoot me, or anyone else thats asks for some, help, and not just for lists, I at least ask for general advice, and not, give me your best list, and how to win with it.

Bang Bang, I'm dead, cheers Chunky, but at least thx for all the places I can go, very quietly and read up, on some more Skorne stuff,

[currentlyunknown]

You know, there is another possibility here. That you're asking for help, and people are actually trying to help you. Maybe, just maybe, instead of asking some of the better tournament players for their insight specifically for you, you can try a search. Read the stickies in the forums. Play a couple dozen games. Does it hurt so much to lose a few times to really learn the faction that you're unwilling to do it? There are no magic bullets here. I'm sure Lord Tyrant Watt could explain every choice he makes to you, and it wouldn't necessarily improve your play an iota. Play. Find your issues. Look for already posted solutions. Then ask the question.

[PG_petegrrrr]

I stopped posting after I sent you a link full of every bit of advice you could want including advice from Jason TWICE, and instead of reading them you kept making demands in posts.

These forums are very welcoming to new players, but if a player comes in making demands right off the gate and ignores others advice, you can't really be surprised when people stop responding or get a bit snippy.

[iveysdad]

besides, from the look of it, jason watt is in process of starting a new army anyway. he may be a little predisposed...

[mcpolle]

Its all good, thx for the places to look, will get some games in and see what happens, was just looking as said befor eofr a leg up, thats all, and a head start, but will check out all those stickies on all those units, to try and find out, whats good and whats not,

My bad

Polle

[polygamoose]

Its all good, thx for the places to look, will get some games in and see what happens, was just looking as said befor eofr a leg up, thats all, and a head start, but will check out all those stickies on all those units, to try and find out, whats good and whats not,

My bad

Polle

Polle

No disrespect and please don't take this the wrong way but your posting style is very annoying.

I usually only post on Menoth as that is my main army and I lurk a bit here because eventually I want to start a skorne army so I am only going off my experience of you from those 2 boards.

I hate to tell you this but there is no secret formula/strategy to winning.

Most of these players have been playing months/years working on tactics and lists. Making mistakes is part of the improvement process. It just seems based off your thread here and your posts on the menoth board that you want to take a magical short cut through that learning process and become a top player almost instantly. This just doesn't work.

You ignore the threads that are stickied to give help to new members, these threads have great advice and took lots of time/energy to create. Spend some time there and play a few games. Then you can come to the boards and talk about what you played what worked and what didn't and you can get better advice. If you are too lazy to read the resources available to you and to play some games on your own first then honestly the help/advice given to you by whomever won't be very effective.

A great list with good synergies can't carry you to victory if you don't take the time to learn the intricacies of the models/rules which can easily take months to learn.

This doesn't even touch on the fact that there are several amazing viable lists/choices and in reality you going to have the most success with what fits your play style best not Jason's.

Finally, it is extremely rude to start a thread calling out one player and ignoring the advices of others trying to help you. To top it off Jason is trying to help you, getting impatient about any help he chooses to give you paints you in a bad light on this board and makes others less willing to help you.

If you wanted a private dialog with Jason a private message would have been a better choice than a public thread especially once you found out his posting name.

[Mr.chair]

My favorite part of all of this is that the thread title is Jason What!?

[Jaradakar]

Skorne is a very synergistic army -- I personally don't think they are a very easy army to play.

[esbad77]

Id start out playing 35 points. Poly has a point just throwin it out there. People put time and effort into those sticky threads for a reason.

Naaresh
Marketh

Bronzeback x3

Agoniser
Max beast handelers x2

There do this and learn to make holes in teeth extremely well. I have always wanted to run this but only have 2 bronze backs