Journeymen Warcaster, Menoth

[Themainmenoth]

This will be a series I do were I make Journeymen warcasters for all the main 5 factions (Menoth, Khador, Retribution, Cryx and yes even Cygnar) I know Cygnar has one, but I think if the others gain a Journeymen, then Cygnar should still be special and have their Journeyman gain a new level of abilities.

But this post isn't about Cygnar, It's about Menoth. So lets see what we can make. Well I thing a Flame Guard is a great start for the stat line. so SPD 5 seems fine, STR 6 will do, MAT and RAT should be below average, due to it's boostable nature, so 5 and 4 in that order should be good, def 12 should do, low and easily killed due his raw power, and armor 12 will be good as well because of focus boosting, CMD should be a 9. this would make the stat line look like this

SPD 5 STR 6 MAT 5 RAT 4 DEF 12 ARM 12 CMD 9 FOCUS 3.

His weapon would be standard issue for a Flame Guard which I believe is POW 4 so that would make P&S 10. Not terrible when boosted, but since it's not weapon master, it won't be killing any heavies, oh and of course it would have Reach. He wouldn't have a ranged weapon, so that RAT could be 20 and still be useless. the Spell list seems fair at 2 spells, like the cygnar one, an upkeep and offensive one will do, since Menoth is more offensive then defensive, I think the upkeep spell would be Ignite over Defender's ward. both would do but Ignite seems more likely. offensive spell would be something very common in menoth, maybe Immolation as that spell. all and all Tell me what you guys think. Next i'm going to be doing Khador once I get a response on this one.

(immolation is a Range 8, PoW 12, Crit fire, OFF spell that cost 2 to cast)

Edit changes: No longer 6 speed, Immolation instead of Cleansing fire. Incioable resolve instead of Ignite and 3 focus instead of 4

[Themainmenoth]

These aren't very populated threads are they? =/ Damn shame, I like this kind of stuff.

[Maerik]

My opinion is that all Journeyman Warcasters should have focus 3. Just as a balancing issue. Focus 4 would be able to run two 'jacks fairly effectively.

I think Ignite is a much better choice than Defender's Ward, as Defender's Ward on a stick would be ridiculous.

I don't play Menoth, so I don't know "Cleansing Fire."

When you write up your Cygnar Journeyman Warcaster2 you should consider giving him/her a mini-feat that affects Battlegroup. I think that'd be a cool addition.

[Themainmenoth]

Oddly enough I was think to do just that (the whole feat thing that is) as for the 4 focus, I don't see it being such a big difference, I just figured since menoth has more focus then normal, it wouldn't be unheard of for our Journeyman warcaster to have 4, and though he could run two jacks pretty well, would you trust 2 'jacks on suck a soft model? maybe dervishes, or repenters maybe but It's still a gamble to me. Though I disagree, I understand why you would think 4 is too much, but may i point out that wrong eye has 4 fury and he's a lesser warlock, effectively the same thing as a lesser warcaster only hordes.

[Menolith]

i like it i mean in not exacly the right person to tell u wats right or wrong cuz really i have no idea but it looks pretty good to me

[Themainmenoth]

yeah, I think I'll write up the khador one next.

[itchmonkey]

Offensive spell should be Immolation, since it is a bit more basic than Cleansing Fire.

Foc 4 is fine imho, let's say all those prayers-since-you're-in-crib does help to focus the journeyman's mind.

Stat is fine, although Arm probably can be 13 or 14 to cater for the arcane field. Spd probably should be 5. We're talking about Menoth afterall.

He should have one or two abilities to make him uniquely Menite. Maybe a Dispel * action or weapon. Or a drive ability to help his warjacks.

[Themainmenoth]

Well a drive is a 'jack marshal thing, the armor would be 16 if he sat on his focus, which makes that not too bad. spell 5 is doable but kind of irrelevant since he'll always be behind is jack which are notoriously slow. I figured that since the cygnar JWC didn't get a star action, he shouldn't either. Immolation makes sense since it isn't aoe, that i think i will change it to that.

[agent red]

Access to ignite at 2/3 points is way too cheap. Admittedly its less broken than DW, but its still pretty damn broken.

[Themainmenoth]

Is it really that much worse (better of a spell) then arcane shield, I'm not so sure.

[agent red]

You can't hotswap arcane shield across two units and net the same level of carnage you can with ignite. Setting aside the generous piles of weapon masters that protectorate tends to have on hand, you'd still be looking at something as humble as the crusader swinging at ps 22/18.

[Themainmenoth]

I Just don't feel it would be more unbalanced then the other Journeyman, a hunter gives the Cygnar JM a 12" control of it, it doesn't even need to worry about getting close to combat with that, this little guy would be way easier to remove.

[Themainmenoth]

Would you rather i had Defenders ward on it?

[Coinlord]

No Merc Journeyman? C'mon, man.
C'mon.

[Themainmenoth]

but Merc's have 3 lesser warlocks, 1 exclusive to dwarves (for warmachine at least)

[Themainmenoth]

But I kid, I was thinking of making a different series where there would be 4 'Jack-marshals that would be Merc Minions that were the opposites of the 4 lesser warlocks.

[koreandog]

How about Invioable resolve for his upkeep? +2 Arm is nice and fearless would be pretty thematic for keeping other flameguard in check.

I'm a bigger fan for Foc 3 though. I think all lesser warlocks/warcaster has 3 "universal F points"

And is he 3 points?

[Themainmenoth]

How about Invioable resolve for his upkeep? +2 Arm is nice and fearless would be pretty thematic for keeping other flameguard in check.

I'm a bigger fan for Foc 3 though. I think all lesser warlocks/warcaster has 3 "universal F points"

And is he 3 points?

you know what, that isn't a bad idea at all, I think Incioable resolve is a great up keep for him, ty for the idea. and he'll cost what ever the cygnar one costs, and I guess i'll make his Focus 3 since everyone thinks it should be.