Cygnar problems? Enter stormwall

[Stephan Garmark]

I just got my stormwall yesterday, but ive had several games with him these last couple of weeks.
And he is awesome. No doubt about it he rocks my Cygnarly world but that also leads to kind of an odd problem, hes so good that I dont see anything in our book thats better to take for 19 points under any circumstances! So now the avenger is going to be out in a short while and I was very excited about that guy, but now I dont see myself fielding it ever because, Well, stormwall is just so much better. So what do you guys Think? Has the days of stagnation begun for us, or are there still better alternatives to stormwall in certain scenarios?

[Crate123]

Since stormwall is so much better than the other colossals (especially with the haleys, how that got through playtesting I will never know) I dont see any better way to spend 19 points either.
He brings better firepower than 19 points worth of jacks, he is tough and he is the perfect place to hide our squishier casters.
He probably isnt the best 19 points for all warcasters though but for many (most probably) he is.

[GreenJello]

It's been my experience that it's easier to avoid 1 stormwall than 2 stormclads. Also Nemo3's attachment works better with multiple jacks.

[RedWynd]

I haven't played with the Stormwall yet (though I yearn to finally put my Stormsmiths to use from the back line so I can keep them alive without wasting points on Fireflies), but I imagine the difficulty will be similar to Battle Engines. Some people may find it enhances their strategy, others may find that it is cumbersome. In my opinion, Cygnar, with all their technological know-how, seems to be finally getting their edge back! I look forward to my next eHaley match with a Stormwall and Storm Strider, though I will probably alienate my Cryx-playing friend completely.

I think it may just be a matter of time before other players figure out how to counter/shutdown/avoid colossals, and as another thread has pointed out, you need to have something to be ready for a colossal in case your list doesn't have one, but that something also has to be effective in other areas. Your expensive 19-point model might get knocked out of the park by half it's point cost in models, and as it appears, point-for-point it /may/ be easier to counter a Colossal with something that is not a Colossal.

However, -OUR- Battle Engine/Colossal are just fricking awesome. There is no counter for awesome.

[bouncymischa]

I'm wondering if I should start counting the days to the first "Nerf Stormwall" thread... muahahah~

[Crate123]

I'm wondering if I should start counting the days to the first "Nerf Stormwall" thread... muahahah~

I think you can count on it and more nerf haley threads (this time not only eHaley).

[mongoose1]

OMG we are turning into Cryx or Legion!!

cheers
Adrian

[mongoose1]

Oops double post

cheers
Adrian

[TerTer]

OMG we are turning into Cryx or Legion!!

cheers
Adrian

If that were true, i don't see anything bad about it, but will need time to see if that's true I hope so

[dunce002917]

OMG we are turning into Cryx or Legion!!

cheers
Adrian

Until Cygnar starts winning or at least not get their butts kicked in the fluff, we are still far from being Cryx or Legion.. LOL

[Stephan Garmark]

Who cares about the fluff? Cygnar is a great army. After stormwall I've completely put my legion project on stand by, cygnar is just amazing at the moment.

[Lanz]

I'm still waiting to see whether or not half the cygnar players will start complaining about having to take the stormwall.

[Stephan Garmark]

I hope they won't. Everybody complaining about Cygnars potential and then shunning people who play eHaley wad enough stupidity for me

[Defenstrator]

I'm still waiting to see whether or not half the cygnar players will start complaining about having to take the stormwall.

Probably not. Giant stompy robots are why we got into this game. Of course I have enough money to just buy one and enjoy. I can see how people on tighter budgets might be upset. I've certainly been in that place myself.

As for the Avenger, why not both? it's another tough platform that hits hard while having a solid gun. And as a bonus it can even shoot things engaging the colossal with no penalty and no fear of knocking it down.

[Rolling_Thunder]

I love my stormwall, though I am quickly realizing that it is dominating 19 points in most of my lists currently. It's just so powerful.

[TerTer]

I love my stormwall, though I am quickly realizing that it is dominating 19 points in most of my lists currently. It's just so powerful.

With what caster do you run him? As trying to figure out a second caster that could run very good, first is eHaley bonded.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Lately I have been playing N3mo, pNemo, Kraye, and pHaley (well I've been writing pHaley lists...nobody wants to play her lol)

I should mention that my No Crutch locks out pCaine, eCaine, and eHaley atm :-p

[Stephan Garmark]

A pity Ben. eHaley with 'wall is just incredible. Being able to throw that monster further across the table than most casters can push heavies is just insane. 14" is a very long way for something that dangerous.

[Dark Fledgling]

I have only one problem with the Stormwall.... The price tag!
Now don't get me wrong, just the size and beauty of the model alone make it worth 130 bucks, and the fact that its actually playable is just better! But as a poor college student, thats ALOT of money too spend on a toy robot, and it's gonna be a long while before I can afford to pick one up.
Which sucks of course cause I want one SO BAD!!!

Oh, and pHaley can suck it, eNemo is by far the best caster for the thing (imho). Polarity field for unchargable, failsafe for ignoring system lost, lightning shroud for P+S 22? Already he turns the thing into a beast, but once you factor in POW 12 stormcallers? Jeez, its kinda ridiculous.

-DF

[RedWynd]

I played eNemo and the Stormwall (non-tier) against Terminus, and I gotta say, the SW performed admirably! Between the SW and the 3 Stormsmiths, I managed to clear almost 3 units of Bane Thralls before Terminus managed to close into range, AND was able to keep them back so far that I didn't lose a single Stormsmith until Terminus decided to eat them! A new record!

With smarter deployment I could have held them off even longer as I eschewed covering fire for melee combat, wanting to see how the Stormwall could hold his own against an infantry horde.. and he did pretty dang good. However, enough charging weapon masters will mean the death of any model, especially if you hang it out there without any support, and the SW was no exception. All in all, it was a great model, and can make up it's point value easily. Not to mention turning Stormsmiths into unstoppable monsters.

[Rolling_Thunder]

A pity Ben. eHaley with 'wall is just incredible. Being able to throw that monster further across the table than most casters can push heavies is just insane. 14" is a very long way for something that dangerous.

it's 17"s all attacks boosted with Kraye

Yeah I have played it a couple times with eHaley and stormwall is totally nuts with her, but I have to practice for upcoming events

[dunce002917]

I'm still waiting to see whether or not half the cygnar players will start complaining about having to take the stormwall.

I highly doubt it. At 35 pts, putting in Stormwall in your list would really limit your options in terms of army building. Plus, at 35 pts, if you lose Stormwall, you are pretty much screwed.

I played my 1st Colossal infused game last Saturday. 50 pts with eNemo w/ Sylys, Stormwall, Thunderhead and Ol'Rowdy w/ Stormblades +UA+Gunner, Stormcallers and Arlan (for Stormwall repairs).

I played against Skorne eMakeda with the Animathrax (Battle Engine). Molik Karn, Immortals with Hakaar, Skorne Swordsmen, Bronzeback and a Rhinodon (not sure of his beasts).

Anyway, this game just showed you don't need a colossal/gargantuan to go head-to-head with a Colossal infused army. Oh yeah, I lost. The Skorne player used all the speed buff s he could use to get within caster assassination range. In the end, he had Molik Karn side-step his way to a camping eNemo behind Stormwall.

I focused on the Stormwall too much and forgot how squishy eNemo was (I still had my Legion/Hordes mentality - I'll just transfer the damage) so in the end, the Stormwall only had 1 Damage (after a repair from Strangewayes).

The lightning pods are nice to have.. at least it deters ARM 11-15 one wound units from charging the Stormwall but are totally useless against higher ARM of multi-wound units.

In this game, if I didn't take Stormwall, I would have brought in 2 Minutemen and 2 Chargers. On feat turn, I would have concentrated my Jacks against Molik Karn and possibly the Bronzeback while I sneak in Ol' Rowdy for the caster kill.

[Snuggly Buffalo]

And as a bonus it can even shoot things engaging the colossal with no penalty and no fear of knocking it down.

I'm not so sure that's true. I know you can fire on colossals engaged in melee with no penalty to your RAT, but I'm pretty sure other models engaged with a colossal still incur the in-melee penalty if you shoot at them.

[dunce002917]

hmmm... I thought you can still shoot the Colossal w/o penalty but if you shoot let say a heavy warjack in melee with the colossal, you still get the penalty.

So I guess the Earthquake spell would still require the Stormwall to do a damage roll and the AOE effect (Knock Down) would probably hit the enemy model engaging it....