Mammoth spoiler

[Rynth]

From Wargames Con via Muse on Minis:

The Mammoth?s Gun is
RNG 10
PoW 15
AoE 4
RoF 3

http://museonminis.com/news-from-wargames-con-gargantuan-spoilers/

[ElCapitan28]

Wow, would that make the mountain king bad.

[Demeritus]

Pretty nasty ranged weapon there, I wonder what the rest of it looks like.

[delar]

I think this might mean rat 4. Im still hoping for rat 5.

[lastspartacus]

Snipe...Black Spot...damn. I was really enjoying dominating skorne at range.

[YabaBaga]

Wow... O.O Also, don't forget Eyeless Sight and Magical Weapon.

[lastspartacus]

Wow... O.O Also, don't forget Eyeless Sight and Magical Weapon.

...This hurts me bad.

edit: If you needed any MORE synergy with ehexy: massacre infantry and heal this monster up.

[x3tsniper]

I may have to actually buy this guy. >.> This seems somewhat obscene.

[Jake the Dog]

So Skorne gets a better carpet bombing platform than Khador. Are we in opposite land or something?

[Darque]

......

I need a towel.

[LeiferAxe]

I may have to actually buy this guy.

I was thinking the same......

[Earthcrosser599]

Good lord...he could be rat 3 and I'd still take this to nuke infantry with the blasts. I see the Snipe tax has caught up to Skorne.

[Scull]

Good lord...he could be rat 3 and I'd still take this to nuke infantry with the blasts. I see the Snipe tax has caught up to Skorne.

So how would he shoot under pDenny's feat+Crippling grasp? -1 modifier to roll? :P

Love this model already!

[Triumph Of Man]

Seems too good to be true o_0

[Episkopos]

Might have inaccurate. Seems kinda suspicious.

[lifelesspoet]

......

I need a towel.

Why? Space traveling?


So given a choice, what reason do we have to field two cannoneers instead of this. 2 inches of range?

[Rynth]

So how would he shoot under pDenny's feat+Crippling grasp? -1 modifier to roll? :P

Love this model already!

IIRC, both Withering and Crippling Grasp reduce the stat and a stat cannot be reduced below 1.

So given a choice, what reason do we have to field two cannoneers instead of this. 2 inches of range?

Animus. Animus positioning. Fury control via a Bronzeback. 8 fury. Likely more health. Two transfer targets. More maneuverability. And I'm sure several others that will be revealed as we learn more about the Mammoth.

[Feren]

Dam... I was hoping for a 12 inch range. Still 10 inches + 4 inches from far strike 14 inches of threat hehe. Now I'm hoping for those AoEs are enter/end that will make me giggle like a little school girl.

[lifelesspoet]

Its likely to have five fury, but with paingivers i don't see a huge issue. We haven't seen the mammoth animus yet, so its too soon to Judge. I play my cannoneers back a bit, where diminish is needed but close enough to lob aoe's. Honestly i think the distinction for me is if i want one cannoneer I'll bring one, but if i want 2 i'll bring a mammoth. The benefits i see are all related to it being 2 models vs one, more transfers, more targets for your opponent, etc.

[PG_Paingiver]

Why? Space traveling?

Don't Panic!

[PG_yogadragon]

Will hungerford was very pointed in saying he spoiled everything on the gun. Naccurate, where I exists, is on the gun.

[Junn Khan]

From Wargames Con via Muse on Minis:

The Mammoth’s Gun is
RNG 10
PoW 15
AoE 4
RoF 3

http://museonminis.com/news-from-wargames-con-gargantuan-spoilers/

Dance of joy! Oh I don't care about the rest, that ranged power coupled with our sudden ability to buff range, and strip fury for loading out on those attacks, is amazing.

[Tainted Coil]

It's pretty sweet. With Slingers we have enough decent small arms type guns, but Canoneer just wasn't enough for beasts... this guy solves that problem handily.

Raider and Extoller are obvious buffs... Savagery anyone for getting into range really fast? Would Bushwhack work with him? Shoot and then back away, throw in Savagery for a 9" retreat.

Under Rasheths feat he becomes effective POW17 against living, if you can blood mark the target effective POW19... Ok so can the Canoneer, but Mammoth has ROF3.

Unless he's RAT1 he's gonna make up for our BE in a BIG way.

[Tainted Coil]

Double Post

[Jake the Dog]

Maybe the guy has Innacurate...logically, that Back Gun must be very hard to aim...

[Dythirus]

It makes the mk a bit sad

[theHman]

It makes the mk a bit sad

Don't be hatin'!

I'm still suspicious about Mammoth and his guns.
If he's got inaccurate like the Judicator for menoth, then I think I'll pass.
I just don't see the use in that at all.
Granted, Judicator shoots his rockets and gets a 2nd blast template for each shot, so the Rat 1 is mitigated somewhat, but on mammoth I just don't see him getting a 2nd pie plate for each shot.

For the record, I think he'll be rat 4 and I don't think he'll have inaccurate either but you never know til he's released.

As far as putting far strike/snipe for the extra 4" of range... great, so he went from 18-20 pts to 22-24pts...
Looking at it like that, I'd much rather have 2 Canonneers.
Not only would that be cheaper pts and $-wise, but would also give me more board control and threat range.
But it would also be much harder for my opponent to kill all my fury generating beasts.

Til he's fully released, I'm not holding my breath.
ESPECIALLY after being so disappointed with our BE.

[OldHat]

Unless he's RAT1 he's gonna make up for our BE in a BIG way.

I lol'd at this. Big way. Too good.

[PG_yogadragon]

The gun is not inaccurate.

[Sygerrik]

That is just nuts. Up to 6 4" pie plates off of one model? I mean, I'm assuming he has a couple of POW 18-19 fists (Enrage tax, don'tcha know) and some tusks (maybe), and hopefully at least one or two neat special rules. It seems that each of the Colossals has at least one cool unique rule-- Lightning Pods, Creeping Barrage, Reliquary (or whatever it's called), Meat Fueled, 5" crit consume on a POW 18 (not unique, but pretty goddamn special), Whelp Shedding, Drag (again not unique, but unique among Colossals for being able to make melee + ranged attacks).

[Pwnstar53]

I can see with that cool of a gun, them justifying giving him mat 5 now. Which I really hope doesn't happen

[Soylent]

After the SA, I can see them making the Mammoth a little beefier.

[gaminguy]

As far as putting far strike/snipe for the extra 4" of range... great, so he went from 18-20 pts to 22-24pts...
Looking at it like that, I'd much rather have 2 Canonneers.
Not only would that be cheaper pts and $-wise, but would also give me more board control and threat range.
But it would also be much harder for my opponent to kill all my fury generating beasts.

I don't know about you, but I almost never take less than two Cannoneers and a Raider as a module. From where I'm standing the Mammoth will be competing with Cannoneer x2 straight, because I'd take a Raider no matter which way I chose.

[lastspartacus]

Come to think of it...How does that back cannon work with no skorne on it?

[Pwnstar53]

Little arms pulling cords to fire? or maybe there are guys on the back and it just wasn't in the concept art?

[maddermax]

Come to think of it...How does that back cannon work with no skorne on it?

It'd be kind of funny if it was really good gun, but could only fire 4 shots in a game, because it wasn't able to reload.

[legionaires]

Two words: Future Sight.

EDIT: The news about about the mammoth makes me think about him rolling through the table like a gangsta.

[train of thought --->so I thought of the new song from the Offspring]

[viperidae99]

This is exciting. Skorne has recognised the value of guns...in a BIG way.

Loving your work Super Makeda...

[Delrogue]

If it's more of a ranged beast, then I'd say it won't be that great in combat....

Rat4, Fury5 is highly likely. Maybe with just Cannoneer type Melee stats? Mat5, Pow15 fists x2? 19pts.

The AOE's are good.. but if Infantry machine is dead post-colossals, are we really going to see the hordes of light infantry, like we used to, that will make this useful? It might be meta'd out of the game before the model even gets released.. I know in my Meta, infantry have already started dramatically decreasing... in some ways, the Mountain King might come out of it better than anyone... it's Melee focus means that it might be useful to take out all the other colossals and heavies people are packing in response to the colossal meta...

If you get my meaning.

[PG_Paingiver]

Doesn't it have 4 guns on its back? Why not make it ROF 4?