pCaine Tier2 Stormwall 35pts

[ShoX]

So, I'm still in love with this tier list. However, I think it just got a lot sweeter.

Lieutenant Allister Caine +6
Stormwall 19
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages 5
Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer
Sentinel 4
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages 5
Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer 2
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team 4
Gun Mage Captain Adept 2

The sentinel is marshalled of course for Rune shots and pulls double duty as HP buffer for the Stormwall. Stormwall would run snipe, bringing the big guns to RNG 18, which should be sort of nightmarish.
Stealth and incorporeal become nonissues, High def units should become manageable, and multiple heavies can be kept away with rune shots.
Any glaring weak points I have overlooked?

[PG_ForsakenPoptart]

I don't think I'd bother with having Stormwall sniped- I'd snipe a unit of Gun Mages, but this is just my play-style. Instead of a couple shots from way downtown, I prefer to have a solid wall of serious stopping power at 14", with magical brutal damage or thunderbolt shots supporting my Stormwalls big guns. That, however, is flexible. You've done a good job of filling a gap that Caine's theme list faces- bringing some solid melee AND extra guns is always a good thing!

I would consider dropping the GMCA and giving the Gun Mage UA a Hunter, instead- Caine will have the Colossal to hide behind, and your opponent should have a tough time bringing a lot of hitting power to bear against the colossal itself with all those gun mages around slowing everything up. Try both variants out and see what works best for you!

[Lagrider]

I like it allot actually, being the way I am though I'd drop the B13 and the GMCA in this list as 18 gun mages seems like too many. I would also drop the sentinel and put in a stormclad.

With Pcaines feat, 14 gun mages, and two covering fire templates infantry shouldn't be any issue.

[Borkasbrewer]

Wouldn't this have an issue against Kharchev?

[Nuriochi_sol]

Yes, yes it would. But with Tow, just about anything can have trouble against Karchev if you're not careful.

-Nuri "speaking from recent experience" ochi_sol

That said, I like the list a lot, since I'm coming up on some Caine1 experimentation. May have to give it, or a variation thereof, a whirl. And I agree with some of the other sentiments expressed here - a Hunter or other beefier shooter (I like Defenders or Cyclones on my Gun Mages) is in order.

[ShoX]

I think a Stormclad in exchange for Sentinel, GMCA and B13 would work. How does crit brutal damage work with sustained fire by the way?
I love Hunters with ATGMs, so I guess I should buy and run both those setups and see what works best, it's not like those models will be dead weights if they don't work in the list.

[ShoX]

Played this list now with Sentinel and Hunter, no B13. Worked well, though I shook on the game before seeing the 100% caster assassination I could have lined up because I forgot the slam on caine's spell list. Will swap the Sentinel for B13 next time around for black penny shots. Forests are an obvious issue, as the table had one smack dab in the middle between objectives, otherwise I woudln't have lost the wall to a bronzeback.
On non lopsided terrain the whole knockback the heavies/shoot all the infantry approach should be solid especially since Deadeye allows me to just knock away everything below DEF 14 that tries to engage the first row fairly reliably. Vs high def stuff like daughters or Kayazy, I should try to line them up in a straight line so that the stormwall can pod the stuff. Will give this list a few more spins to see what else comes up.