Has anyone tried this synergy

[Sand20go]

So.....

thinking about

Book+Att. Priest+Croe's Cutthroats. This would seem to give us near insane board control on a flank (especially against Hordes or Khador.). No spelly and we have threat range of 16. Extra dice against living models plus 50% to set stuff on fire. Oh - and AD, Bushwack and Stealth. Crushed by AOE but if they don't bring something like a morter to the table.....

Thoughts? Really expensive point wise and also on the pocketbook but it seems a nice way to basically deny almost half the board.

[Craaag]

I'd rather pay the extra 1 pt for Idrians and Covenant myself. Covenant can still give them Fire weapons though with Prey they won't need it if they hit, usually. I'd also rather have Covenant near the core of the army to protect models that need to be standing and if Fire is an option then give it to a unit in range of that centre core. Also GTG is better than stealth when you factor in high defence anyways, as those AOE blasts meant to deal with Stealth and high Def do nothing vs. GTG. Sometimes all you need is that 1 round of GTG anyways.

The real money for me though is A&B over Bushwhack. It's way better allowing you to either charge after shooting or run to different positions. Bushwhack allows an advance after shooting if I remember correctly.

Attendant does give no spells though so it might be a fun combination to try I just wouldn't rush out and buy it all just to try it out.

[Sand20go]

I'd rather pay the extra 1 pt for Idrians and Covenant myself. Covenant can still give them Fire weapons though with Prey they won't need it if they hit, usually. I'd also rather have Covenant near the core of the army to protect models that need to be standing and if Fire is an option then give it to a unit in range of that centre core. Also GTG is better than stealth when you factor in high defence anyways, as those AOE blasts meant to deal with Stealth and high Def do nothing vs. GTG. Sometimes all you need is that 1 round of GTG anyways.

The real money for me though is A&B over Bushwhack. It's way better allowing you to either charge after shooting or run to different positions. Bushwhack allows an advance after shooting if I remember correctly.

Attendant does give no spells though so it might be a fun combination to try I just wouldn't rush out and buy it all just to try it out.

A&B would definitely give you move mobility than Bushwack as a read the rules. But your right - the key differences (assuming you keep the book with both) is that the cutthroats get the poison and the back stab threat while Idrian + UA would get GTG, and the CRA. Idrian also gets the huntsman which could really be good against something on their flank. The CRA is so nice because it will help put up some points on Light Jacks if that is all you have to shoot at ;-)

I bought the bloody AP in a package deal looking for SOMETHING that it actually works with. Maybe just paint it up and put it on a shelf ;-)

[West996]

depending on your meta if you face a deceant amount of hordes the Croes can be a great choice with those poison weapons. You can still do a good amount of damage on beasts with that extra dice.

It is also good to note that most casters/warlocks are living.

[Craaag]

Ya I wouldn't write em off completely, it would be fun to try anyways and I do think they (Croe's) kind of look cool too. Poison can be a big deal too as stated. Perhaps kind of situational but doesn't Croe have silencer for no spells? That could come in handy.

Ya I'm not sold on the AP myself. It seems all the merc units available to us we can kind of do just as well or better in faction without having to pay the 2 pts for the AP. Maybe the Forgeguard but even then we have strong WM melee units anyways.

[jandrese]

The problem with Croes is the same as it has always been, their horrendous RAT.

[FearMeMortals]

The problem with Croes is the same as it has always been, their horrendous RAT.

Beat me to it

[darisus]

Might be worth a second look for Kreoss3, with death sentence? Not sure about them myself, i would love a stealth range unit in faction that i don't have to have just with thyra. Considering all the stealth other factions get it really hurts sometimes we don't have much, but we do get alot of aoe's for dealing with stealth so i guess that is the trade off...

[Bartacus]

I've just picked up a large Menoth army and being a merc. player originally I've been looking at what the best merc. options are to try out.

Obviously the first thing I noticed is that my three favourite merc. units, Boomhowlers, Alexia/Risen and the Nyss, aren't going to be available any more.

I've had a min. Croes unit since I first started playing 2 years ago but I think they've hit the board perhaps twice. As Jandrese says their RAT is their downfall, but against Hordes and with any way to buff their RAT I think they could do a job. I would have thought Kreoss' mass knockdown would be extremely helpful, but that's going to be for one turn.

Knockdowns,Death Sentence, EoM, any other ways to help their RAT?

[Silverstar843]

Bart, I have a lot of fun with my Mercoth list.

pKreoss, choir, and usual battlegroup with Sam Machorne's Devil Dogs and a priest with solos to flavor to taste. The knockdown helps the Devil Dogs a good amount and now they have pathfinder, magic weapon, or no spell targeting plus DW to make them 15/15

[Bartacus]

Cool, I've got a lot of love for the Devil Dogs. Got to say that the AP seems to get a lot of hate, and I know that he's a bit vanilla compared to Murdoch providing assault but looking at him I can't wait to get him leading my mercs.

[Menoth's Bishop]

Can the cutthroat use bushwack when the AP is in the unit? I thought that the was the unit commander and only he could give orders.

[Murphy's lawgiver.]

Does anyone have tried Croe's cuttroat + attendant with Thyra?

Last time i've tried this, with carnage, silence of death and the feat, they achieve to deal pretty good damage (i was playing versus Skorne).

The feat allowed me to engage models from the rear, and the +2 to mat was incredible on them. I'm gonna play them again in fiew times, i'll let you know about it.

[jandrese]

Can the cutthroat use bushwack when the AP is in the unit? I thought that the was the unit commander and only he could give orders.

A Ranking Officer cannot issue orders that are not on its card.

The Attendant Priest cannot issue a Bushwhack order. To be fair though, with RNG 10 guns and a real need to take the aiming bonus whenever they can, this probably won't come up.

[jandrese]

Does anyone have tried Croe's cuttroat + attendant with Thyra?

Last time i've tried this, with carnage, silence of death and the feat, they achieve to deal pretty good damage (i was playing versus Skorne).

The feat allowed me to engage models from the rear, and the +2 to mat was incredible on them. I'm gonna play them again in fiew times, i'll let you know about it.

How in the world did Thyra's feat help you get backstrikes?

[Silverstar843]

I've done stuff like that. Requires someone to run up and base them, usually to stop them from shooting. Then You feat and teleport behind them and go to town.

[jandrese]

The teleport happens during your activation though, so you still wouldn't get the backstrike bonus. The only use I see there is maybe ignoring some shields, but that's pretty situational.

[PG_Askew37]

Croe's really are a great unit, they just have a high learning curve. Always use them as a flanking unit or a second wave strike force. The best situation is to make it up the field and find a way to KD the enemy caster (if they're living and of average armor). If Croe's starts within" 16" of the caster, they're dead.

[Silverstar843]

I thought the attack just has to be in their back arc for Backstab to trigger even if you don't have the bonus? I may have done that wrong...

[jandrese]

You have to be getting backstrike attacks for Croe's bonus to work, with all of the restrictions that entails.