eVyross - 1 eLylyth - 0

[Murkhadh]

Finally got to get a game in vs her and won pretty handily. First turn I cast easy rider deflection and feated. I ran the phoenix and destor thane in front of Vyross to block los to him. I ran the destors 20 inches just barely still in control for deflection and the feat. I lost 3 models on her feat turn. She didn't kill all of the destors, 1 killed Annyssa Ryvaal, the other 2 a raptor a piece. I could have killed even more if I had them aim and shoot twice a piece, but I had to kill Ryvaal while I had the chance.

I was in her face the next turn. Killed a ravagore then the following turn another beast and was able to charge lylyth with +3 synergy. I one-shot her.

Its only one game but this was very promising. The army is in her face turn 2 which is what she hates

[PG_Emberwild]

Glad to see eVyros is working how I thought the might against her. What was your army?

[Murkhadh]

Glad to see eVyros is working how I thought the might against her. What was your army?

eVyros, tier
Phoenix
3x Griffons
1x Aspis
Sentinels + UA
Destors
Destor Thane
2x arcanists.

[NEoJoe]

Call me not surprised but happy enough.

Do you think the other player made correct decisions?

[PG_Dawnlord Ed]

Hmmm....promising, promising. Good work, Murk! Now repeat it. Over and over.

[Murkhadh]

I just realized I played him 2 points down. I have a Scyir in ibodger in the list. lol

[Murkhadh]

Call me not surprised but happy enough.

Do you think the other player made correct decisions?

As far as his decisions, the list puts you in a spot so whatever decisions you make, your wrong.

Kill a destor? okay a diff one moves and engages a model that hasn't shot yet and now can't.

Don't kill a destor? Great now u have 5 models shooting twice a piece at rat 9 in your face.

shoot a jack? Great your not one-shotting it, no snapfire this way and I have 4 other jacks in the list. Shoot a sentinel ? great vengeance happens.

Focus down all of my sentinels? Great now my destors and 5 jacks are surviving this turn.


His response to all of this was "eff this, I'm never playing eLylyth vs that much armor again."

This was promising, so we played another game, eVayle vs the same list. eVayl has a fair amount of armor cracking in the list.

Again I was in her face really fast and killed most of her army pretty fast. I did something dumb and ended up losing because of it, but that was me making a mistake more than the list/caster/matchup. I think If played right, I could have won that one too.

[NEoJoe]

That's good because either Vayle had me wondering.

Either way, it does seem that eLylyth is no longer the death sentence she once was. No matter what, we probably got game against her in Colossals.

[FifthColumn]

I just realized I played him 2 points down. I have a Scyir in ibodger in the list. lol

Is there a difference between running a Scyir and playing two points down?

I keed. I keed. I'm a proponent of the Scyir. I just figured I' d get that dig in before someone else did.

[NEoJoe]

And now that I'm finally home and not posting from a slowashell phone

Hmmm....promising, promising. Good work, Murk! Now repeat it. Over and over.

That's what she said.

(Sorry, but man Ed, could that BE any creepier )

[PG_Dawnlord Ed]

I could sure give it a shot if you want!

[FearLord]

Is there a difference between running a Scyir and playing two points down?

I keed. I keed. I'm a proponent of the Scyir. I just figured I' d get that dig in before someone else did.

To be fair to the Scyir, its never been anyone's first choice, but its a hyper accurate beat stick when you have that many jacks on the board...

@Murk, do you have the list that eLylyth was using? Good job on the win - as I said around Lock and Load, I really think that we've got two great models in Colossals for facing down eLylyth, but I want to see if I can do it with out going with eVyros's theme list (the cynic in me might say that we got 2 good options, but either requires you to buy the most expensive models available - Hyperion or Destors!)

[dragonforcehair]

hmm.... i think after practice the Lylyth player might work out how to place the ravagores and a Seraph, so that she can get enough ravagores out of combat on feat turn and just concentrate all on Vyros. if he cast deflection, he might be ARM 22 at best, and at worst she'll also have had fury available to set him on fire. A Seraph to kill a destor or two, and slipstream anoter beast away can free up 2 ravagores.

i think we need to be careful with this one, but yes, it is game against her.

[Rogue Sun]

Realistically setting Vyros on fire isn't going to do much at a natural ARM 18. But even then, the problem is finding how in the world to get LOS on Vyros without killing anything because the moment things start dying all your best laid plans go right down the drain as more of your models start getting engaged.

What I like most about EVyros against ELylyth is that he literally forces her to use her feat on his terms. Either she uses it first turn or she doesn't get it at all. That is called taking the initiative and it is a pretty huge deal in table top games. If you can dictate what your opponent does and when, you're at a pretty huge advantage.

[Soda Breeze]

The proliferation of cavalry armies in general provide a counter to eLylyth, whose best asset is range and protection from heavy shooting for her battlegroup. Also how are the Destors running 20"? To my knowledge Easy Rider only gives Pathfinder, not a speed buff.

Synergy is one of those really, really good spells that makes eVyros terrifying to play against. At any point, if you hit with two Griffons, he becomes a MAT 10 POW 16 Tall-in-the-Saddle death machine with a guaranteed-to-hit charge attack and enough MAT base to reliably smoke DEF 17 casters. That's pretty impressive, considering how Griffons run themselves with Arcanist support.

[Fateweaver]

I love the look of our cav models but the price has been the one thing holding me back from picking any but the Fane Knight up. eVyros is sure to change this as it sounds like a fun tier to play, especially Synergy as Amon was such a fun Menoth caster. I wonder if he'll be out by mid September for me run him in the local wmw qualifier.

[Falkman]

The proliferation of cavalry armies in general provide a counter to eLylyth, whose best asset is range and protection from heavy shooting for her battlegroup. Also how are the Destors running 20"? To my knowledge Easy Rider only gives Pathfinder, not a speed buff.

Tier 3 of the theme force gives Destors +2SPD on the first turn.

[Murkhadh]

And now that I'm finally home and not posting from a slowashell phone



That's what she said.

(Sorry, but man Ed, could that BE any creepier )

Thats def what she says :-P

[Murkhadh]

To be fair to the Scyir, its never been anyone's first choice, but its a hyper accurate beat stick when you have that many jacks on the board...

@Murk, do you have the list that eLylyth was using? Good job on the win - as I said around Lock and Load, I really think that we've got two great models in Colossals for facing down eLylyth, but I want to see if I can do it with out going with eVyros's theme list (the cynic in me might say that we got 2 good options, but either requires you to buy the most expensive models available - Hyperion or Destors!)

Yea, I make most of this guys legion lists and he does far better with my lists than I do.

Its based on Neutralyze's list that he had been tearing up the con scene with last year

eLylth
Ravagore
2x bolt thrower
Angelius
succubus (I was proxying so he was too)
Anyssa Ryvaal
Raptors
2x Shepherds
2x Deathstalkers
1x Forsaken

A variation is the angel and something else comes out for a carnivean.

And before anyone says it, eLylyth already has a lot of bad matchups, Bringing 2 ravagores increases the number of bad matchups. The druids in circle and a ton of menoth stuff becomes un-targetable due to all of the shots being fire damage type. 1 rav and 2 bolt throwers for 2 more points is almost always better in that slot.

[Murkhadh]

hmm.... i think after practice the Lylyth player might work out how to place the ravagores and a Seraph, so that she can get enough ravagores out of combat on feat turn and just concentrate all on Vyros. if he cast deflection, he might be ARM 22 at best, and at worst she'll also have had fury available to set him on fire. A Seraph to kill a destor or two, and slipstream anoter beast away can free up 2 ravagores.

i think we need to be careful with this one, but yes, it is game against her.

I don't see the Seraph making many legion lists at all lately and I have NEVER saw one with eLylth. Its basically an 8 point animus, strafe is way to easy to counter with proper spacing.

I had Vyros out of LOS on the feat turn, he "might" have been able to manuever a ravagore to maybe get a shot, but a ravagore moving to shoot means he's needing a 10 to hit and the fire damage if he does drift it onto him is at minus 6. It will most likely go out before it does any real damage, his base stats are fantastic.

[Murkhadh]

Realistically setting Vyros on fire isn't going to do much at a natural ARM 18. But even then, the problem is finding how in the world to get LOS on Vyros without killing anything because the moment things start dying all your best laid plans go right down the drain as more of your models start getting engaged.

What I like most about EVyros against ELylyth is that he literally forces her to use her feat on his terms. Either she uses it first turn or she doesn't get it at all. That is called taking the initiative and it is a pretty huge deal in table top games. If you can dictate what your opponent does and when, you're at a pretty huge advantage.

This, well said.

[Murkhadh]

The proliferation of cavalry armies in general provide a counter to eLylyth, whose best asset is range and protection from heavy shooting for her battlegroup. Also how are the Destors running 20"? To my knowledge Easy Rider only gives Pathfinder, not a speed buff.

Synergy is one of those really, really good spells that makes eVyros terrifying to play against. At any point, if you hit with two Griffons, he becomes a MAT 10 POW 16 Tall-in-the-Saddle death machine with a guaranteed-to-hit charge attack and enough MAT base to reliably smoke DEF 17 casters. That's pretty impressive, considering how Griffons run themselves with Arcanist support.

Destors get + 2 speed from the tier on first turn.

Tall in the saddle doesnt really come into play if your in vyros control area due to birdseye.

3 different times over the course of the evening I had a griffon charging an angelius at mat 11 pow 18 (synergy +3 and arcanist damage buff) Having a 4 point jack wreck a 9 point heavy is awesome.

Also playing ret and being able to say my mat is 11 right now is awesome. I've been craving a true + to hit buff.