Two Weeks To Go

[empireofdirt]

Choose the most sensible, customer-friendly one. It's the opposite of that.

I know, Privateer Press has such a horrible track record when it comes to customer service! It's like they're soulless automatons or something. I have no reason to think that they'd suddenly reverse their stance and be friendly when it comes to launching a new support product.

[fire4effekt]

Im quite content with Ibodger still, i found my Stormwall in there too, it's called Stormclad and Defender.

[Atrix]

I am desperate for this app. Everyday, I think of something at work where I want to check a model's card. I always have to go to BattleCollege and try and discern if the rule works the way I think. For example, yesterday I was dreaming up a Vlad1 list with Conquest and wanted to know if Signs and Portents lasted a turn or a round (extra die on Rolling Barrage damage). I ended up assuming it was round and made the list, got home later and found out it was turn - boo btw.

[niceas]

I *was* going to buy it when it was released, but I've since decided not to be an early adopter.

I'll try it out on the local PG's device.

[HeadHunter]

Choose the most sensible, customer-friendly one. It's the opposite of that.

Yeah, ever since Games Workshop/Microsoft/Apple bought PP, they've treated us all so terribly! Shame on them!

[PG_Duckboy]

I know some guys did get to play with the app at Lock N' Load, but it wasn't the latest build. I heard good news but definitely wasn't finished.

[Earthcrosser599]

Out of curiosity, what are these programs used for? I know that you can make lists with them, but that seems like a waste of money. Do they spoil unreleased stuff?

[ringkichard]

Out of curiosity, what are these programs used for? I know that you can make lists with them, but that seems like a waste of money. Do they spoil unreleased stuff?

The "killer app" for this app is digital card decks for all models, with automatic updates accompanying new releases. Not spoilers, just authoritative, comprehensive and timely(?!) information.
It will also handle list building (semi-awkwardly?) and a few other small things like grid marking and list/card exchange during play.
But what I really want it for is the digital cards.

Hell, if PP is reading this, they could sell me a spreadsheet / DB with all this info in it for $60 right now.
I'm sure they have one that fell of the truck, you know.

Awwww, you're so cute.

And you're a big hoot?

[computertrucker]

Doesn't it also have rules quick links, ie if a model has stealth you can click the stealth link on the card, to pull up the rule.

Jack cards have quick links to power attack rules etc etc.

[PG_Sobek]

Hell, if PP is reading this, they could sell me a spreadsheet / DB with all this info in it for $60 right now.
I'm sure they have one that fell of the truck, you know.

They had one of these that they used during the model development panel at L&L. We weren't allowed to get a copy of it. And we even said 'please', too! O_o

[joelker41]

At this point me buying it would be rewarding misleading and ineffective practices.

I have a real heartburn with that.

[AJ the Ronin]

At this point me buying it would be rewarding misleading and ineffective practices.

I have a real heartburn with that.

That's how I feel about the video game.

[Inquisitor Wall]

Anticipation and PP working to create a better product certainly will not prevent me from buying it. I was planning on it before, and am still planning on buying it when it comes out.

[J. Beatnik]

Yeah, I'm on board for this. If only because it'd be cheaper to get War Room than buy all the card sets for practice games for tourneys locally.

[Lich_Lord_X]

I honestly can't wait to join the 21st Century. For those of you complaining about the cost just look at what GW is trying to steal from people for a fancy eBook Codex.

[x3tsniper]

Ha 41 bucks for an eBook over my dead body.

[AJ the Ronin]

Is not that is $42. Is that is more expensive than the physical book!

[x3tsniper]

Is not that is $42. Is that is more expensive than the physical book!

I have only ever read their books, but I hope their whole operation explodes.

[HeadHunter]

At this point me buying it would be rewarding misleading and ineffective practices.

Yeah, shame on them for not just pushing it out on the originally announced date, regardless of its readiness! I mean, isn't that the way people like their software? After all, it works for EA...

You were so horribly deceived by what was done. You should demand weregeld.

[mongoose1]

They probably just made the mistake of trying to apply more staff/programmers to get the job done which in turn causes it to be delayed even further.

cheers
Adrian

[EdgeKun]

I honestly can't wait to join the 21st Century. For those of you complaining about the cost just look at what GW is trying to steal from people for a fancy eBook Codex.

Well thanks. You nearly made me spew tuna fish all over my work monitor. That would have been a mess. ><

You know, I'd thought I was used to GW's pricing schemes but i can safely say that $42 for an ebook is an all new low, even with the standards i'd come to expect. That's. . . kind of shocking and appalling.

[HeadHunter]

Not just ANY eBook! We're talking about an eBook that's soon to be obsolete and will not be updated for free!

[Henshini]

To be fair, it is now currently the same price as the print version and it has a lot of interactivity, links from the unit description to the points entry, all the rules for any ability or ware gear available with a tap. Honestly, if you'd pay that much for a paper version, why wouldn't you pay the same for the interactive digital one. And when I say this, I mean instead, definitely not in addition to.

On topic, I will definitely download the free app for war room before I buy any of the decks, but i will very likely buy my merc deck.

[ringkichard]

They probably just made the mistake of trying to apply more staff/programmers to get the job done which in turn causes it to be delayed even further.

cheers
Adrian

I love that book, The Mythical Man Month. "If a woman takes 9 months to have a child, then 9 women should be able to do it in one!"
My favorite story about it is that a team of 10 developers each bought a copy and gave it to the boss... so that he could finish reading it in 1/10th the time.

[PG_LunarSol]

Is not that is $42. Is that is more expensive than the physical book!

It's actually the same price. It was only more expensive because it was released before they announced the price hike on their physical books to get them up to speed.

[Sul-Menite]

Yeah I'm super excited i'll be picking up the menoth deck. Unfortunately I'm in canada and can't buy any apps for my kindle fire, so I'll just have to get it on my iphone/ipod.

[AJ the Ronin]

It's actually the same price. It was only more expensive because it was released before they announced the price hike on their physical books to get them up to speed.

Ok. Didn't knew the physical book went up.

Still, same price for the PDF. That's just plain weird.

[AJ the Ronin]

That's pretty consistent with day-one prices across digital distribution of commonly physical products. Publishers are hesitant to undercut their physical retailers.

It is? I'm not too knowledgeable outside comics and RPG. I know same day as print comics are same cover price then go down a buck after 4 weeks.

RPGs? The PDF usually is cheaper from day one and is released a few days before the physical book.

I think Fantasy Flight is one of the companies that release its PDF after the physical book has being in stores for a while and even their (and event their GWS licenses) PDF are cheaper than their physical books.

I may be spoiled by the RPG market.


Edit: And I'm pretty sure that ebooks are also cheaper and usually are available the same day as the physical book. Ghost Stories and Dance with Dragons were too books I bought on release day on Kindle and were cheaper than the print version (and I have to read DwD, dammit)

[empireofdirt]

Ok. Didn't knew the physical book went up.

Still, same price for the PDF. That's just plain weird.

Just because something is intangible doesn't make it worth less.

You're not just paying for the wood pulp and the infrastructure to ship/handle your package when you buy a physical book. You're also paying for the time it took to do the writing, layout, rules balancing, artwork, etc. All of those things are present in the PDF as well. And the PDF has the extra capability to include hyperlinks and other interactive features that make it more useful than the physical copy.

[AJ the Ronin]

Just because something is intangible doesn't make it worth less.

You're not just paying for the wood pulp and the infrastructure to ship/handle your package when you buy a physical book. You're also paying for the time it took to do the writing, layout, rules balancing, artwork, etc. All of those things are present in the PDF as well. And the PDF has the extra capability to include hyperlinks and other interactive features that make it more useful than the physical copy.

Again, I pay for beautiful, fully interactive PDF that are:

a) Released weeks before or the same day as the physical book
b) are around 30% cheaper than the physical book

And I know for what I'm paying. Content. Also I get charged for the paper and the printing process. And those books have to be moved from the printer, to the warehouse to the distributors. The cost of doing that have to be figured out from somewhere. Usually the cost of the book.

I also know that the person that create the hyperlinks have to get paid and hey, you have to pay either for the server or to the third party that host your content. That's not taking into account that the credit card companies will charge a % for each transaction. I don't know if these stuff cost as much as printing the book and moving them.

But like I said I may be spoiled by the RPG market.

[jandrese]

Just because something is intangible doesn't make it worth less.

No, but it does have almost 0 distribution costs, compared to something that requires people to chop down a tree, truck it to a factory, pulp it, truck the pulp to another factory where it is made into paper, truck that paper over to a printer, dig up rocks, separate the rocks, truck the rocks to a factory where they are ground up, truck the powder to another factory where it is made into ink, truck the ink to the printers, raise cows, truck the cows to a slaughterhouse, truck the hooves to a factory where it is turned into glue, truck the glue to the printer, where the printer finally puts ink on the paper and glues them together and then ships the final result to a warehouse where it is then trucked to various stores for purchase.

Would consumers be out of line to expect some of the savings on the production and distribution costs to be passed on? I don't think so.

[ringkichard]

Think of it from the FLGS point of view.
Can you imagine if GW undercut the retailers with digital product?

[HeadHunter]

You're not just paying for the wood pulp and the infrastructure to ship/handle your package when you buy a physical book.

Believe me, those costs are NOT intangible - especially the shipping. Add to that the markup and overhead at the distributor and the end retailer, and the majority of the cost of a book is in physical, tangible aspects.

Trust me when I say that GW isn't concerned with preserving the retail channel - especially considering that most of their retail sales are through their own stores and specialist stockists.

[J. Beatnik]

I work for a digital publishing company, and I can tell you that there are some costs incurred in digital distribution. Now, if you're just getting a PDF, then you're looking at the minimum cost, since PDF is the format most commonly sent to the printer. When you start adding things like advanced search capabilities, multiple eBook formats, hyperlinking, rollover links and all that kind of stuff, it can add up. Generally your distribution channels are much cheaper digitally, resulting in a cheaper to-customer process. You only have to produce a digital book once compared to printing a physical book a thousand times over.

As more of the consumer base turns to digital reading, I think you'll see a greater push for volume pricing on digital goods, resulting in lower prices. Either that, or bundle an app/download code in with the physical book.

[FranzGrenstein]

So when exactly is this piece of vaporware supposed to be out?

[PG_Duckboy]

You can find that information on the main page.

I would link you but I am using my phone currently.

[TheLoki]

Personally I've lost any and all interest in the product. I even forgot it was supposed to come out this month. With the advent of Dropzone commander and "Gasp" the new 40k ruleset actually looking decent "Gasp" I think I'll just spend the money on more plastic mens.

[empireofdirt]

So when exactly is this piece of vaporware supposed to be out?

Not to pick on you specifically--you're just the latest person I've seen using the term--but why does a two-month delay in software production mean OMG VAPORWARE?

[AJ the Ronin]

Not to pick on you specifically--you're just the latest person I've seen using the term--but why does a two-month delay in software production mean OMG VAPORWARE?

Excellent question. Yet people still maintain hope for the video game.

[Dan from Chicago]

probably because they sht down iBodger prior to having a solid release date for Warroom.