eButcher + Road Hog?

[Fons]

Sample list
eButcher +6
Beast09 -11 (5)
Fenris -5 (10)
Rorsch and Brine 9 (19)
Road Hog 9 (28)
Min Kayazy + UA 7 (35)


The idea is giving Fenris or beast09 Sprint gives you some huge threat ranges. What does everyone think.

[Demeritus]

Doesn't the road hogs animus specify friendly faction?

[Fons]

That I don't know...

[thewisp]

Nah, it says friendly model for lightning strike.

[scout's honor]

I think it's friendly model only, not necessarily in-faction. That said, huge threat range is a bit misleading: the movement from Sprint happens at the end of the activation, so the model can't attack after that. That's not what's typically meant by "threat range".

[Boomfex]

I think it's friendly model only, not necessarily in-faction. That said, huge threat range is a bit misleading: the movement from Sprint happens at the end of the activation, so the model can't attack after that. That's not what's typically meant by "threat range".

You have to think about eButcher's Feat. Fenris charges 11", kills something, Sprints 8", gets rage tokens, moves 8" and *hopefuly* kills the caster.

[x3tsniper]

He needs to still end his activation in control to get the rage tokens. Make sure you aren't cheating that way. Also Sprint isn't immune to free strikes, and neither is Fenris, watch out for that as well.

[scout's honor]

Indeed. Fenris will still need to be 12" or less away from eButcher after his activation. Given an 11" charge distance vs 12" control range, another 8" Sprint movement might make it easier to find a viable charge lane but more than likely won't significantly increase the threat range.

[Boomfex]

A buddy just pointed out that spell ward negates an animus as well. Oh well.

[jdeckert]

It could still be interesting. Sprint on eButcher himself would let him get to a safer (or more threatening) position after he kills some stuff. Some feat shenanigans could be cool. It's a big investment for that trick, so I'm not sure it would be worth it. Let us know how it goes if you try it, I'll have to give it a shot at some point.

[x3tsniper]

A buddy just pointed out that spell ward negates an animus as well. Oh well.

Spellward specifies cannot be targeted by spells. I thought animi were only considered spells if they were cast from the caster. Otherwise they are just animi?

Wouldn't this work the same as if a warlock were casting an animus under Lamentation? If it came from the caster it would be doubled but not from the beast?

[Boomfex]

Spellward specifies cannot be targeted by spells. I thought animi were only considered spells if they were cast from the caster. Otherwise they are just animi?

Wouldn't this work the same as if a warlock were casting an animus under Lamentation? If it came from the caster it would be doubled but not from the beast?

What you said. Looks like it is legit as long as it comes from the Hog...road hog i mean.

[Auracco]

I still think it's a really expansive trick that rely on a relatively fragile model to work. You could try it, but on paper I'm not sold on the idea.

[Croo47]

Sorry dude, but you can't field Road Hog in a Khador army. Just as a merc warjack cant be included in the Butcher's battlegroup, you can't use a minion warbeast. Brine can be used because it is attached to its lesser warlock, Rorsh, but regular warbeasts can't. Even more unfortunate than that, while the Buccaneer could be added to a Khador army under the control of Dirty Meg, Hordes does not have an equivilant to 'jack marshals.

[Tossy]

Sorry dude, but you can't field Road Hog in a Khador army. Just as a merc warjack cant be included in the Butcher's battlegroup, you can't use a minion warbeast. Brine can be used because it is attached to its lesser warlock, Rorsh, but regular warbeasts can't. Even more unfortunate than that, while the Buccaneer could be added to a Khador army under the control of Dirty Meg, Hordes does not have an equivilant to 'jack marshals.

Regular warbeasts can be attached to lesser warlocks. In fact Wrong eye, Snapjaw and a bullsnapper is super common and one of the reason the galleon is just bonkers good

[Croo47]

Regular warbeasts can be attached to lesser warlocks. In fact Wrong eye, Snapjaw and a bullsnapper is super common and one of the reason the galleon is just bonkers good

Really? Hell yeah! I'd love to field a swamp horror with Sorscha.

[PG_SMDVogrin]

Regular warbeasts can be attached to lesser warlocks. In fact Wrong eye, Snapjaw and a bullsnapper is super common and one of the reason the galleon is just bonkers good

_Some_ lesser warlocks can take extras, at least. Wrong eye states that his battlegropu can include "Gatormen warbeasts", Rorsch states his battlegroup can include "Farrow warbeasts"... but Dahlia specifies it's just Skarrath.

[Natetehaggresar]

Really? Hell yeah! I'd love to field a swamp horror with Sorscha.

This is not okay because wrong eye and snap jaw DO NOT work for khador.

[Tossy]

This is not okay because wrong eye and snap jaw DO NOT work for khador.

I know. I hate that... I would love me some spiny growth in Khador

[x3tsniper]

I know. I hate that... I would love me some spiny growth in Khador

Specifically why we don't get them. =/ What animi do Farrow have access to? Oo I have never even looked that direction. I doubt I will look seriously, but it is an interesting thought.

The War Hog's animus seems nice. Anyone know the exact wording of it?

[Tossy]

Specifically why we don't get them. =/ What animi do Farrow have access to? Oo I have never even looked that direction. I doubt I will look seriously, but it is an interesting thought.

The War Hog's animus seems nice. Anyone know the exact wording of it?

It isn't bad, but it is a high cost on a low fury warlock

[Croo47]

Let's face it; the only warbeasts that can be used with Khador or farow, of which there are only three. We can't even benefit from the bacon (I love that name) ability because we don't have warbeasts and Rorsh's fury isn't high enough to effectivley use multiple warbeasts.
Off on a slight tangent, but you can actually forgoe fielding Brine in favor of a different farrow warbeast. Pro: it will stay on the field after Rorsh is dead to wreak havoc. Con: it won't be bonded.

[Tossy]

Let's face it; the only warbeasts that can be used with Khador or farow, of which there are only three. We can't even benefit from the bacon (I love that name) ability because we don't have warbeasts and Rorsh's fury isn't high enough to effectivley use multiple warbeasts.
Off on a slight tangent, but you can actually forgoe fielding Brine in favor of a different farrow warbeast. Pro: it will stay on the field after Rorsh is dead to wreak havoc. Con: it won't be bonded.

How would you do this? Rorsh and Brine come as a pair, like Old Witch and Scrapjack. One eye and Snapjaw, etc etc and you can't take a warbeast without a 'lock

[Croo47]

How would you do this? Rorsh and Brine come as a pair, like Old Witch and Scrapjack. One eye and Snapjaw, etc etc and you can't take a warbeast without a 'lock

You can field Brine for free with Rorsh, but you don't have to.

[x3tsniper]

Pretty sure you field them together always. The card says Rorsh & Brine. I don't think that leaves you the option of choosing not to take one. Even if you could, why would you? You would still be paying 9 points for Rorsh.

[Michael]

You can field Brine for free with Rorsh, but you don't have to.

This is absolutely untrue. You must include whichever models are specified on your cards. This is not optional.

(If I had a copy of Prime handy, I'd dig up a reference. Off the top of my head, this falls under "Deployment".)

You cannot choose to deploy The Old Witch & Scrapjack minus Scrapjack. You cannot choose to pay for a 10-man unit of IFP but only deploy three of them.

Rorsh and Brine always, always, always, without exception, deploy together, unless you're using some whacked-out custom rules or bonkers tournament rules of some sort. The rules in Prime / Primal MK II don't let you do it any other way.

[Croo47]

This is absolutely untrue. You must include whichever models are specified on your cards. This is not optional.

(If I had a copy of Prime handy, I'd dig up a reference. Off the top of my head, this falls under "Deployment".)

You cannot choose to deploy The Old Witch & Scrapjack minus Scrapjack. You cannot choose to pay for a 10-man unit of IFP but only deploy three of them.

Rorsh and Brine always, always, always, without exception, deploy together, unless you're using some whacked-out custom rules or bonkers tournament rules of some sort. The rules in Prime / Primal MK II don't let you do it any other way.

The rule states that Brine can be fielded for free with Rorsh. Not that you have to field him.

[HellecticMojo]

no it doesn't.

under cost Rorsch and Brine cost combined at 9pt

Companion rule on Brine states that "This model is included in any army that includes Rorsh...."

you pay for the pair, or none at all.

[Sinsation]

You can choose to not field him sort of; That requires your army taking the time to kill him first turn. Doesn't make much sense though, and your opponent still gets points. Or just have him go into the far back corner of the map on 0 fury, and shazam. Similar outcome.