Whats good vs cryx?

[jigplums]

as the title suggests

got a game on Sunday vs a mate an i dont know much about the armies. Apparently he has a solid list, built around bane knights/bane thralls?
what advice would you give

[rexim]

Saeryn, and 2 death stalkers. That is usually what you need

More serious. Look out for bile thralls and some casters bile thrall shenanigans, kill them all if you can. Death stalkers are awsome. Remember that bane knights have vengeance so don't kill some of them, when you kill them kill them all. Against bane thralls check if you can kill the flag, its really short pick up on flags so if he spreads out kill it and they loose though.

If you know which caster I would recommend to read up on that caster. And the withershadow combined is awsome.

[Ordrek]

If you're new, you'll probably get creamed by banes spam. It can be hard to deal with even as an experienced player. If you're comfortable learning a complex warlock before then, I've had great success with eVayl cycling Refuge on two Angelius to clear out bane spam. Between Reach, Overtake, and Fury4 you can chew through a handful each and use Refuge to move back out of range. A few turns of this can usually clear the field. Typhon is also a great asset for this tactic because of the triple spray.

Beware of the banes character solo that curses your models. The curse gives banes +2" on charges against the cursed model, and you don't want to get charged by banes.

Other casters that can do well include Bethayne (Eruption of Spines, Belphagore's animus) and Saeryn (Blightbringer, awesome anti-melee feat).

[Neutralyze]

Bethayne, evayl, saeryn and sometimes elylyth.

[VagrantPoet]

Every time someone asks a question the answer seems to Vayl2 nowadays!

Hexhunters are pretty solid can generate 2 attacks each and are fast enough to at least play with most things that aren't satyxis, and they work around force barrier and incorporeal though you probably want to hit them with a def debuff first. Ravagore shots can/should blow Tartarus off the table early. Saeryn and Co. all have this. Troop spam is rough though, I personally struggle with it.

[Ordrek]

Every time someone asks a question the answer seems to Vayl2 nowadays!

Refuge on fast pathfinder beasts with either Reach or good ranged attacks is just that good. Purification is the extra ace in the hole preventing you from getting screwed. Vayl2 is the ultimate lesson in utility/mobility over raw punching power.

[SteakAndSpirits]

The Archangel w/ it's Perma-Consume should be good vs. Bane Spam, when it comes out. Which is funny -- It seems like every Colossal/Gargantuan announced has specific tools to deal with Bane Spam. Seems like arcing a couple of Eruptions of Spines out of Bethayne is a good choice in a pinch, too. And of course, there's Saeryn -- Just feat and watch the poor undead shamble back and forth for a turn, unable to do much but taste watered down version of their own feat. ;b

-s&s

[Khaunshar]

Archangel with Consume... well, you should actually kill banes on any hit regardless at its POW

I also recommend Bethayne, Saeryn, and Deathstalkers. Very effective. For beasts, dont forget the Seraph.

[jigplums]

thanks guys, ill read up on the idea's youve suggested. In general are there any tactics you'd recommend vs them? i.e. keep them are range? go for the alphastrike? mix it up with big beasties?

[Madhiggins]

the biggest advice i could ever give for going up against cryx is to know what all of their models do. know what they do, and know it by heart. know what his spell list is, and whether or not it can give a free advance to a jack or a crippling debuff to your most important model/unit. if you can see these threats coming, then it you can plan a counter move. since your opponent is apparently using a bane list, be ready for the fact that he can kill beasts really fast once he gets on them. and the model to look out for the most is Bane Lord Tartarus who basically puts down a curse on one of your models/units and all bane models get +2 to hit and more importantly +2 to charge distance against the cursed models. the second thing to watch out for on Tartarus is that he has thresher, and every living model he kills he turns into a bane model. so don't keep things clumped up, because he'll kill them fast and turn them into powerful models to rock your world with. if you take a Saeryn list though, you should curb stomp a cryx bane list so bad that it should be a crime. scytheans and angels will out threat bane thralls and popping the feat will deny them any melee counter attacking leaving you to follow up next turn with complete cryx annihilation. and any bane list is especially hurt by Saeryn's spell Blight Bringer or scather templates since non-reach models are forced to enter the templates to engage beasts with the templates on them, but entering the templates auto kills them. i've always found the best beast for Blight Bringer is a shredder that you force rabid for speed 8, then he runs for 16 inches and then have Saeryn plop Blight Bringer on him which cooks squads up lickidy split.

[Ordrek]

Where is this Archangel with "Consume" business coming from? Was some information released?

[SteakAndSpirits]

Archangel with Consume... well, you should actually kill banes on any hit regardless at its POW

It's not the matter of killing them. It's the matter of keeping them down. ;b

-s&s

[Lanz]

Bethayne, evayl, saeryn and sometimes elylyth.

Why Bethayne? Almost every time I've brought Bethayne against legion I've felt it was a rough match-up as she's so slanted on living-model and corrosion rules so much. The one time I was glad for it was vs Asphyxious due to melded Bethayne being immune to his corrosion-based spells.

[zor]

Why Bethayne? Almost every time I've brought Bethayne against legion I've felt it was a rough match-up as she's so slanted on living-model and corrosion rules so much. The one time I was glad for it was vs Asphyxious due to melded Bethayne being immune to his corrosion-based spells.

Bethayne's immunities, Eruption of spines and Despoiler is good enough. Anything else is just icing on the cake.

[rodders]

played eDenny last night with eLylith @35 points font of power scenario i took: 2x ravagore NBT shredder striders + ua deathstalker and shepherd turn 2 after my feat his infantry was decimated deathjack was knocked down and edenny had met her end by ravagore goodness. The only thing i would have changed was maybe drop the shrerdder for another death stalker but i wanted the shredder incase it all went wrong.

[Lanz]

eLylyth is hilarious against eDenny. We don't have many eDenny players here (the local cryx ace favors Scaverous and eSkarre mostly), but the one time I played against eDenny was just after I got my eLylyth list together.

I don't remember most of the game, but I remember the last round;

eDenny: I pop feat and all this horrible stuff happens to you! Ahahaha!
eLylyth: I pop feat, and can still hit you without moving since popping your feat automatically puts you in range of all my beasts. My Bolt Throwers knock you down and my ravagores blast you to pieces.

It was glorious. Comic, even.

Bethayne's immunities, Eruption of spines and Despoiler is good enough. Anything else is just icing on the cake.

I guess it's a big deal being melded against Cryx. I probably haven't done that as much as I should. Despoiler and immunity to corrosion stops most of Cryx's non-'jack threats too, so I can see the assassination-denial alone being a big advantage.

[Cursed]

eLylyth is hilarious against eDenny. We don't have many eDenny players here (the local cryx ace favors Scaverous and eSkarre mostly), but the one time I played against eDenny was just after I got my eLylyth list together.

I don't remember most of the game, but I remember the last round;

eDenny: I pop feat and all this horrible stuff happens to you! Ahahaha!
eLylyth: I pop feat, and can still hit you without moving since popping your feat automatically puts you in range of all my beasts. My Bolt Throwers knock you down and my ravagores blast you to pieces.

It was glorious. Comic, even.



I guess it's a big deal being melded against Cryx. I probably haven't done that as much as I should. Despoiler and immunity to corrosion stops most of Cryx's non-'jack threats too, so I can see the assassination-denial alone being a big advantage.

Incorpreal is nice vs elylith until the naga comes out ;o

[BernieLomax]

Saeryn first of all, secondly Bethaine and Vayl2 but with no more than one unit, in order to mitigate Terminus feat and a purge by an excarnated biles.

Other quick advices:

1 -vs casters that are not Denny1/2: try to kill (RFP if he is playing Asphy2) Tartarus and exploit your DEF 14+1 beasts vs infantry spam.
2 - vs DEnny1/2: spread your models as much as you can.
3- kill all da biles, always.

[rodders]

Incorpreal is nice vs elylith until the naga comes out ;o

but its only every other turn i always feel i can defend against that

[Lanz]

Incorpreal is nice vs elylith until the naga comes out ;o

Yeah, in this case he used his last turn to move in unharassed with Incorporeal, then popped feat on his next turn.

That said, Lylyth herself is pretty scary with her bow too, and could have probably killed Denny by herself if I focused all of Lylyth's fury on it.

[Cursed]

Yeah, in this case he used his last turn to move in unharassed with Incorporeal, then popped feat on his next turn.

That said, Lylyth herself is pretty scary with her bow too, and could have probably killed Denny by herself if I focused all of Lylyth's fury on it.

Depending on the list I face I might camp my focus if there is something that might hurt me on feat turn when im incorpereal.
In pop feat, next turn I run away like a sissy, have worked well so far.

[Lanz]

Depending on the list I face I might camp my focus if there is something that might hurt me on feat turn when im incorpereal.
In pop feat, next turn I run away like a sissy, have worked well so far.

He did. It didn't stop 4 boosted POW 15s, 2 boosted POW 14s, and some random POW12s all with Pin Cushion.

[PG_BergerFett]

i beat my teammates terminus list after struggling after about a year with Saeryn. She is one of the best counters. Next is Bethayne and I would even argue kallus since his feat is RFP so no corpse or soul tokens.

I think eSkarre is trickier.