Magnus Vs the Ret, help needed

[Mozzer]

hey guys

I have been exploring a few lists with Mercs mainly built from units that will work for Khador and Cryx. At the moment I have
pmagnus
2x Renegade
Mule
10x nyss hunters
10x cutthroats
Wrong eye and snapjaw
Aiyana and Holt
Reinholdt
DiWulfe
Harlan Versh
Madelyn
Alten Ashley
Saxon orrik
pEiryss
Gundrun

I was using Magnus with a mule and a renegade, supported by A+H, the nyss and the cutthroats. Also with wrong eye, snapjaw, reinholdt, DiWulfe and Harlan.

The mage hunters were a real pain and the Demon and Phenoix caused a lot of damage.
I'm think of throwing in Boomhowler for some 4 up tough to worry the MHSF, I'm just looking for feedback or ideas to help.

thanks

[Murkhadh]

the demon, just keep your models spaced > 2 inches apart and the gun wont' be as effective.

Be careful with boomhowler himself if he has a mage hunter assassin, one of those can one shot him and they ignore tough so your 4 up tough will be gone.

[Murkhadh]

double post

[baronvonchaos]

More than anything I have troubles with Ranged shooty lists that are, "I can shoot you, but you can't retaliate." I have been haggling with the Ret and eLylyth and I need all the help I can get with these 2. I have won 1 game against the ret, haven't won a game against the Legion in a long time.

Spacing disbands AOE effectiveness, and the only thing we have access to is Orin for chain lightning but that's not horribly reliable for d3 models extra.

I've been brainstorming this. 1 WE&SJ are the right way to go (IMO). The MHSF gets jack hunter but it gets balls against beasts. Snackjaw likes tasty elfs. I would also take a swamp horror (odd I know), but it has excellent anti-infantry stuff and it can almost ignore MHSF shots because it's a pow 10+1d6 (due to his rules) and it's arm 17. Not only that, but it has 4 basic attacks, and is fury 4. Boost the attack on his beak against a light jack and watch it crumple.

Also. Croe is awesome as he has stealth and that's a big middle finger to the MHSF. I couple him with Gorman to be able to hit easier. The 1 time I won against the legion I blinded Rhyas and shiv'd her in the back with a cutthroat (not even Croe!) Backstrike + charge + poison = pow10+5d6. 1 shotted her. My opponent's eyebrows were in his hairline. lol. He totally underestimated the power of Croe!

Nyss hunters are great. Give them +1def or tough from the piper and massacre the MHSF next turn. The RAT 6 on the MHSF will need 10's against the Nyss, but if you can get close for a turn, then even run to engage next turn, you'll be much better off. The MHSF sucks in Melee.

TBH, I've never had problems with their jacks. I haven't fought the new ones yet though. I do think they're just like any other jacks. Throw Temper Metal on a Rover or Mangler and send it after the jacks. In general, I found that (imo) I see Merc Warjacks about 1/2 step below Cygnar, 1 step below Protectorate, and 2 steps below Khador, but 1 step above Ret, and 2 steps above Cryx. The only cryx jack that gives me pause is the Cankerworm, and I haven't seen cryx on the table in a long time (meta shift...).

1 fueled up Nomad will lay some serious hurt if not death on a Myrmidon.

Hope that helps. Boomie is a good idea. Watch out for shooty shenanigans. The ret is rank with it.

[pRophaniti1978]

Well I suppose there's the desperate solution of slamming mags with your own light jack to knock him down (pMags only for this!) That's a pretty annoying thing for a shooty list to face. Just make sure you won't get meleed instead.

[Mozzer]

Thanks for the advice, I like the swamp horror idea as I have a gator list so i can get double usage from him. Thinking of casters are there any other than magnus that stand out. I already have Damino and was thinking about picking up a third in the future. Any thoughts on which would be good against ret?

Thanks again

[MagnustheJust]

Swamp horror will eat far too many of your points up...

Wrong Eye & Snackjaw are fantastic against the Angry Elvises. I would recommend swapping out the Mule for a Mangler though - you have plenty of shooting, but not enough heavy melee.

Out of what you have listed, I would go with the emboldened & highlighted suggestions :

pmagnus
2x Renegade
Mule swapped for Mangler
10x nyss hunters
10x cutthroats
Wrong eye and snapjaw
Aiyana and Holt
Reinholdt
DiWulfe
Harlan Versh
Madelyn
Alten Ashley
Saxon orrik
pEiryss
Gundrun


Gudrun on one flank, and Eiryss1 on the other...
Play fast & loose with the Nyss and the Mangler, putting Iron Aggression on the Mangler...
So evil!!

Mags, the Gobber, & the Renegades hang back a bit, but still advancing - Blur up on Mags turn 1.