Anyone play test Gaspy3 yet?

[zyxx]

By now, I know most ppl have gotten the Colossals book from Lock and Load and/or the information from the interwebs... but has anyone actually play tested Gaspy3 yet?

These are my thoughts on my last few play tests with him:

Satyxis raiders are the best unit to have Ashen veil followed by the Satyxis blood witches. Anything thing else is just a waste as most ppl (especially at my LGS) play units/models that can get MAT 8 or better (with our average Def of 12 + Ashen, that still means with MAT8, your opponent will need 6s to hit).

Combining Sything Touch and Carnage with Soulhuntes and Darragh and you have a unit that can charge through other units and will hit like a mack truck shot from a sniper rifle. Cycling Sything onto a another unit like Bloodgorgers with Gerlack or banes with T.Sauce and you can count on clearing out any units/jacks your opponent will have in front of you...

Mobility is nice with any jack, especially Cryx jacks, as it make an already fast jack ... faster.

Bone Shaker and Hex Blast never really came into play, as my units decimated what ever they hit.

Vociferon is a trap! He wants to be near the enemy but the moment he gets there, he gets beat down like a red headed step child. He's either in the way of my charging units or to far back to get anything... I ended up using him as an arc node that he is supposed to be.

So, with all this in mind, my final thoughts are this...
Gasp3 needs to be close enuff to the enemy for Carnage to take effect, but far enuff back so he wont get get charged. having a cheap screening unit such as the boarding party will help (yes, i use 'em! what of it! Med Base, DEF 13 and ARM15 with 8 wounds! i don't care how they look). And i had to be careful with his focus... it is easy to run through it and leave him vulnerable to being shot to death by something like Stormwall and a Defender (boosted POW 15s are not fun). I found that he likes to have units as well as jacks... but cant seen to run both at the same time. I feel he needs to concentrate on one or the other... all jacks or all infantry...or you will find your self staring down the barrel with no protection... However, with all jacks, I found myself only needing to cast Mobility and Carnage. And having sirens out there made Focus mgmt. easier. So Far, having only 1 arc node jack was sufficient and the wither shadow combine are a must (as if you didn't know that already).

I am interested to see what other ppl think of his play style on the table. Tips or tricks that I may have missed or something new entirely. even what you don't like about him.. I only got in a few games with him, so I have yet to try everything with him.. so far i like him, just need to find that perfect spot for him to be...

[Rabid Bunny]

I've run him a few times, he is very different to his previous incarnations. What Warjacks did you run him with? I've only tried him with 1 arc node and focussing on infantry support.

[Scottl1]

I've played him quite a bit and used a variety of infantry but I personally I like him fairly close to the front lines. My favorite jacks with him are the leviathan and harrower. Also I have used blood boon a lot. My typical feat turn has him rocking an extra 7 or more focus. I love hex blast since it's an offensive debuff so I can stop the admonitions of the world. lol I'm not set on a must take list yet but blood witches, bloodgorgers, blackbanes, crab jacks etc have done pretty sweet stuff. Oh and so does nightmare but I think this guy is way better at 50 then at 35 so you can use some of the tier bonuses.

[Daniel Plainview]

As far as warjacks are concerned it strikes me that a pair of Seethers or Reapers, or a pack of Scavengers, arguably make the most use out of Mobility and match well with Gaspy3. The utility that Gaspy3 grants Seethers should be obvious; a self-powered 11" charge with pathfinder, and if still within Gaspy3's control range the effects of Carnage make the Seether's Chain Attack almost a done deal. Dragging an enemy warjack into rough terrain with a Reaper could be fun, though the machines are notoriously focus-hungry. The yo-yo'ing of Scavengers under Mobility makes my head ache, and Cankerworm is especially slippery.

All that said, with this many warjacks one would do well to employ the services of an Ogrun Bokur to safeguard the oft focus-naked Gaspy3.

[zyxx]

What Warjacks did you run him with? I've only tried him with 1 arc node and focussing on infantry support.

the last 50 pt list I play'd was:

Asphyxious the Hellbringer +4
Vociferon .....................free
Harrower........................-10
2 helldivers.....................-6
nightwretch....................-4
Bane Lord Tart..................-4
Darragh Wrathe................-4
10 Bane Thralls + UA ........-11
5 Soulhunters.................. -9
Wither Shadow Combine.....-5
Necrotech & Scrap thrall.....-1
Total ..... 50 pts

knowing that a Helldiver is going to pop up at +2 speed, pathfinder, and +2 attack will scare the crap out of some ppl. lol

[Sheer_Falacy]

I don't see why he has to concentrate on infantry or jacks - he's straight up spending more focus with an all jack force than he is with a mixed force.

And I'd hope Cankerworm is awesome with him. Fast enough to reach the enemy's front lines, going first (probably not a great idea, but I'm sure it's hilarious).

[Lambstar]

Well, depending on the jacks you take and the army you face, you may not have to cast Carnage at all with the all-jack force. A POW 18 Seether charging 11" with pathfinder seems plenty against beasts with MAT 8 and his favorite lights (Scavenger, Stalker and Cankerworm) aren't that far behind. Doesn't really need a node if you're being canny with Vorciferon.

What about the tier list? I can think of all sorts of nastiness that wants the extra souls/corpses (Vorciferon and Malice seem like the best choices if you're not using the Kraken) and all you really miss out on is the Satyxis. Any thoughts/tests on the tier? Because that's where I think his real value is.

Also, a SPD 8 free move with Cankerworm seems amazing. Just sayin.

[Scottl1]

Spd 8 is ok but unless he's goin behind a wall or something he's not likely outta charge range once he actually hits something. Or he get's too far for allocation.

I have tried his tier and it is good but it screams higher pts other wise it's hard to fit in 3 squads, multiple pistol wraiths, and the kraken. lol I mean I guess you could run 3 mcthralls squads but if I'm doing that I wasted ashen veil and have a hard to helping that many hit with carnage.

I would like to run him with raiders with AV and bloodgorgers with ST. Def 18 raiders and pow 15 gorgers seems pretty solid since they can also screen him since with his spells wants him a bit closer then the other gaspys.

[Sanctjud]

Meh to screening Gorgers, asking for aoes and tough is way too unreliable.
AV raiders is ok, helps with what they are already durable against, and is a joke to things that murder them.
If you don't run raiders, I would just have AV on Gaspy3.

[Island]

I'll try him with Canker and Blood Witches, he can walk back and forth through them with that SPD 8 And with Scything, Gang and Carnage, they're hitting on mat 10 with ps14, quite nice!

[Scottl1]

Meh to screening Gorgers, asking for aoes and tough is way too unreliable.
AV raiders is ok, helps with what they are already durable against, and is a joke to things that murder them.
If you don't run raiders, I would just have AV on Gaspy3.

So no contribution just meh to everything? Thus far it seems you just shoot down my posts with no actual new advice. I get it you don't like screening your medium based casters. I will from now forward preface here's my advice but sanctjud will disagree since her like taking magic and shooting to the face.

[Sanctjud]

So no contribution just meh to everything? Thus far it seems you just shoot down my posts with no actual new advice. I get it you don't like screening your medium based casters. I will from now forward preface here's my advice but sanctjud will disagree since her like taking magic and shooting to the face.

How is "If you don't run raiders, I would just have AV on Gaspy3." not contributing? I don't see anyone else suggesting it.

And yes, I meh to alot of things, see my avatar. As for 'shoot down my posts', I'm giving out cautions and a different point of view to suggestions. Screening with Gorgers is (IN MY EXPERIENCE) a trap.
You bunch them up to block line of sight, which invites AOEs. AOEs which would have hit less models than if you were to spread them out normally, which allows for more to be hurt.
In addition, they are not 'THAT' durable, and reliance on tough is a bad start to a 'screening' unit.

Now, if the point was to block tramples, then I'm all for that... generally Gorgers are pretty meh compared to the other great unit options we have. They are competent as a second wave/flanker.

As for "you don't like screening your medium based caster", you assume too much. I use other more reliable sources of screening. (Bloodwitch clouds, Double Levi, Gorman+Wrathe/Jack, Deathrippers, the new Kraken, eGaspy has his own clouds, some medium based casters have their own defensive techs that do not require an actual screen, bokurs, etc).

As for my shooting down your posts, (you may be new around here ) you are just being paranoid: Hello, My Name is Sanctjud, I rain on everyone's parade.

[Lamoron]

Hello, My Name is Sanctjud, I rain on everyone's parade.

Except mine! I happen to agree on Bloodgorgers being pretty poor screens, though if you have access to boosting their ARM it becomes a viable tactic.

[Scottl1]

How is "If you don't run raiders, I would just have AV on Gaspy3." not contributing? I don't see anyone else suggesting it.

And yes, I meh to alot of things, see my avatar. As for 'shoot down my posts', I'm giving out cautions and a different point of view to suggestions. Screening with Gorgers is (IN MY EXPERIENCE) a trap.
You bunch them up to block line of sight, which invites AOEs. AOEs which would have hit less models than if you were to spread them out normally, which allows for more to be hurt.
In addition, they are not 'THAT' durable, and reliance on tough is a bad start to a 'screening' unit.

Now, if the point was to block tramples, then I'm all for that... generally Gorgers are pretty meh compared to the other great unit options we have. They are competent as a second wave/flanker.

As for "you don't like screening your medium based caster", you assume too much. I use other more reliable sources of screening. (Bloodwitch clouds, Double Levi, Gorman+Wrathe/Jack, Deathrippers, the new Kraken, eGaspy has his own clouds, some medium based casters have their own defensive techs that do not require an actual screen, bokurs, etc).

As for my shooting down your posts, (you may be new around here ) you are just being paranoid: Hello, My Name is Sanctjud, I rain on everyone's parade.

Bokurs are not reliable, witches you'd have to kill your own to be reliable to make them(which many armies can ignore clouds), double levi is very expensive, see witches for gorman answer, etc. So really they are not that reliable either.

As far as aoe you really worried about that pow 7 killing an arm 15 infantry? Only way that's even close to reliable is boosting.

[Sanctjud]

There's always madhammer... honestly, my gripe is Tough, that's about it.
The other options I have listed are alot more reliable because you have absolute control of when it occurs and know when it's useful or not.

Double Levi is expensive, but they have their place in the lists I've run them with, it's not "JUST" screening (Terminus and pSkarre to name two casters that enjoy double levi).
Bokurs are more reliable in my book (2 of them) better armor and if there is LoS allowed, there is shield guard for regular shooting...and honestly I don't use them in a vacuum, you couple several things together that have multiple reasons for being there.

Witches are cheap and plenty, it's easy to kill off 1-2 for a cloud a turn, you don't need to kill 4-5 for a wall of clouds when you don't need it. As for things that ignore clouds, sure they are out there, but you KNOW THEY ARE THERE, and adjust accordingly... honestly, the clouds block gunmages, I'm super happy already with that.

Scott1, it's not about pow (whatever) vs. ARM15, it's that I INVITE more damage rolls to be made. Making the opponent roll less dice is a good thing in my book when it comes to rolling against my stuff.

PS, Hacksaw is crazy in my meta with Madhammer...

[Gamingdevil]

As far as aoe you really worried about that pow 7 killing an arm 15 infantry? Only way that's even close to reliable is boosting.

I'm sorry, but if you bring up ignoring clouds, which only Legion can do reliably and Cygnar can do rarely, I'm going to bring up all the jacks/beasts with AoE's, every faction has at least a few of them and I'm sure they're willing to spend 3 focus to kill/tough 4 models reliably.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gorgers, there's just a flaw in your argument.

[Scottl1]

There's always madhammer... honestly, my gripe is Tough, that's about it.
The other options I have listed are alot more reliable because you have absolute control of when it occurs and know when it's useful or not.

Double Levi is expensive, but they have their place in the lists I've run them with, it's not "JUST" screening (Terminus and pSkarre to name two casters that enjoy double levi).
Bokurs are more reliable in my book (2 of them) better armor and if there is LoS allowed, there is shield guard for regular shooting...and honestly I don't use them in a vacuum, you couple several things together that have multiple reasons for being there.

Witches are cheap and plenty, it's easy to kill off 1-2 for a cloud a turn, you don't need to kill 4-5 for a wall of clouds when you don't need it. As for things that ignore clouds, sure they are out there, but you KNOW THEY ARE THERE, and adjust accordingly... honestly, the clouds block gunmages, I'm super happy already with that.

Scott1, it's not about pow (whatever) vs. ARM15, it's that I INVITE more damage rolls to be made. Making the opponent roll less dice is a good thing in my book when it comes to rolling against my stuff.

PS, Hacksaw is crazy in my meta with Madhammer...

lol fair enough, Legion is common in mine so clouds isn't really that great.

Also a problem is that the number of beasts don't care about high defense either and that's why I prefer at least an option to save my troops with tough or high enough def like with raiders that they can ignore the blast.

[Scottl1]

I'm sorry, but if you bring up ignoring clouds, which only Legion can do reliably and Cygnar can do rarely, I'm going to bring up all the jacks/beasts with AoE's, every faction has at least a few of them and I'm sure they're willing to spend 3 focus to kill/tough 4 models reliably.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gorgers, there's just a flaw in your argument.

No flaw if you if you were in the same meta I am in. That legion and such is not uncommon so clouds are useless. Outside of those said legion players there is little in the way of aoes so I'd rather try tough then watch the other stuff die because a beast boosted, etc.

[Chouraku]

I have tried his tier and it is good but it screams higher pts other wise it's hard to fit in 3 squads, multiple pistol wraiths, and the kraken. lol I mean I guess you could run 3 mcthralls squads but if I'm doing that I wasted ashen veil and have a hard to helping that many hit with carnage.

Considering that necrosurgeon + stitch thralls are a 2pt unit it's not that hard to reach 3 units for the sake of having 3 units. Although tier 4 is definitely something you would have to seriously weigh the benefits of before considering in a low pt game.

[eddie]

Meh to screening Gorgers, asking for aoes and tough is way too unreliable.
AV raiders is ok, helps with what they are already durable against, and is a joke to things that murder them.
If you don't run raiders, I would just have AV on Gaspy3.

I was looking at comments only i read this and thought....sanct

[Sanctjud]

I was looking at comments only i read this and thought....sanct

I bet you rather me say: MOAR BANEZSS111!!ONEONE1!

[eddie]

Def 14 banes !

i wanted to try soul hunters with his tier list but soul hunters are too squishy.
maybe we should use revenant crew !

[Sheer_Falacy]

Def 14 banes !

i wanted to try soul hunters with his tier list but soul hunters are too squishy.
maybe we should use revenant crew !

What about def 16 soul hunters?

Ashen veil goes well with so many things!

[Sanctjud]

Except when it doesn't vs things that don't care about it like Legion and Gunmages as Scottl1 points out

Soulhunters are still squishy. You still have a lower model count benefitting from a 'higher' def, and you should be concentrating on having a first wave and using the Soulhunters as a second wave to more likely bypass the 'squishy' issue.

I'm not saying don't try Gaspy3 with Soulhunters, they have a pretty good output of damage, but i caution the use of them as a mainline unit with the application of Ashenveil...that is not their role and (IMO) you would be setting yourself up for disappointment. As an aside, I love using Soulhunters with Gaspy1, they are a great self buffing unit that has fast speed and decent quality and quantity of attacks, that can get around terrain... but they need a first wave like Raiders, I've been approaching using terrain like cover and forests (due to being incorporeal during their activations and they are squishy from experience).

[legendaryrat]

I've only been playing a few months, but I'd like to try him as a second caster for my Scavy list. Thrall 1st wave, Bile deterent wave, BGorgers screen and secondary wave.