FEAT you fear the most?

[x3tsniper]

I will say pDenny/eDenny, eHaley and Siege.

Siege isn't as bad, but its more of a, have I killed enough stuff for his feat to not be super effective against me before he uses his feat to wipe out 70% of my list.

[zor]

Scariest feat on paper is probably eDenny/eHaley. Scariest feat I have had to deal with? eVlad/pSkarre seem to blow my mind. Always seems to be a blindside.

[MagnustheJust]

My own after 14 hours of having my boots on...


Seriously though, I really do not fer any of the feats per se... I am not a fan of which ever Cryxian chickypoo has the one that says X models are immune to anything other than dirty looks. I know it's one odf the Skarre's or Denny's - I just can never remember which one it is!!

[TIEActor]

Absolonia is pretty BS. If your game dosen't go off perfect against her then you basically fight her army twice. When you play ret that means your out numbered something like 4 to 1.

I'll also agree with all the PDenegrah hate. It just shuts you down so effectivley for SO LONG. The witch coven is pretty gross too, you just get to stand there like a moron for a turn.
I miss playing mercs when Fiona and Ashlyns feats would have people pulling their hair out.
Notice ret hasn't made the list yet....

[x3tsniper]

Absolonia is pretty BS. If your game dosen't go off perfect against her then you basically fight her army twice. When you play ret that means your out numbered something like 4 to 1.

I'll also agree with all the PDenegrah hate. It just shuts you down so effectivley for SO LONG. The witch coven is pretty gross too, you just get to stand there like a moron for a turn.
I miss playing mercs when Fiona and Ashlyns feats would have people pulling their hair out.
Notice ret hasn't made the list yet....

That is because the Hydra and MSHF are obvious.

[PG_Askew37]

Only thing with,gorten ia that its a small control area unfortunetly, still havnt worked out how best to utilise it

Charge your own models to get up field quicker while still being able to cast/feat. Gorten's armor, spells, and jacks make him a frontline caster. As long as they're even touched by the control area, the debuffs still affect the model.

[hackdZ]

I haven't played against all the casters previously mentioned, but from the ones I have I hate the most;

pDenny - frustrating to say the least.
pKreoss - knockdown shenanigans that ALWAYS targets my Fellcaller first...ouch.

[PG_shadowsword751]

Ashlynn - her feat drives me nuts every time.

[NEoJoe]

I think I love all of the feats in this thread. Except Karchev.

[brilder]

pSkarre in large games. Not only is it two feats in one, but its also super-easy to use. No complicated tactical maneuvers required for this feat to be effective.

eSkarre in small games. You say your whole army can't be targeted by anything? This will be a swell turn.

[Hai-pe-neki]

EHaley by miles. If her player knows how to play it's just a bit less than "skip a turn"
And her +2def+2arm against shooting cuts the fairy tale about how is easy to face her feat having shooting in list.

[The Buoyancy of Water]

When using Zerkova's feat against someone who's never heard about it before, I fear they'll flip the table...

[Slice]

eDeneghra together with eHaley.
Usually they both could just spell "Your opponent skips one turn"

I even stopped playing eDenny because she is so frustrating for my opponents.

[Admiral_Arzar]

Both Dennys and both Haleys are probably the worst. Saeryn is also nasty, while (as a Cryx player) eGaspy's feat is also bonkers scary, I just don't get to play against it much.

[Fathoym]

I've always found pGrissels feat annoying just because of the sheer number of things that it does, but it's by no means a Denny or Haley feat...

[sourclams]

Both Dennys and both Haleys are probably the worst. Saeryn is also nasty, while (as a Cryx player) eGaspy's feat is also bonkers scary, I just don't get to play against it much.

I think you mean pHaley's spell-that-is-a-feat.

[Nion]

Any feat that boosts both hit and damage rolls for any type of attack. I can't even imagine how to survive that.

[PG_dbsmash]

It is pretty telling how often eHaley and eDenny have come up in this thread. Normally these things garner as many opinions as there are responders, but these two really seem to draw the ire from the crowd.

[MagnustheJust]

Any feat that boosts both hit and damage rolls for any type of attack. I can't even imagine how to survive that.

You sacrifice a juicy target in the hopes of forcing your opponent to pop their feat early...

[Ikazuyr]

I have yet to see eHaley in action (and am not sorry for that, based on what I have heard). I play Cryx and between eSkarre and pDenny (haven't put eDenny or eGaspy on the table yet) I feel it's eSkarre in a Mangled Metal event, but usually pDenny is just rude. Even though this thread is about feat alone, when pDenny starts stacking Crippling Grasp or Parasite with her feat, anything is easily killable for one turn and can't really retaliate.

[bakaryu]

As a Retribution player with no multi wound infantry to speak of and where our infantry units are generally so good we only ever take one or two jacks for me the bane is coming up against either Harbinger or Old Witch.

Old Witch usually is just sitting in terrain benefitting from Prowl and a POW12 to anyone who advances (even to change facing) is brutal.
Harbinger is a similar deal except its only when you advance towards her, but a 20" control area and POW14 damage rolls is pretty much auto death for all Retribution infantry.

[jandrese]

Generally denial feats are hated more than offense feats. eKreoss has an absolutely crushing feat, but you don't see it mentioned in here. It's when the feat is basically "lose your turn" that people really really hate it. As someone who's army depends a lot on order of activation and uses a lot of melee, I hate eHaley's feat the most. It's also the only feat I can think of that affects models outside of the (already enormous) control area.

[nicholas_342]

For me, while eHaley's feat does suck, I hate her more for her than just her feat. Outside of scenario play I've survived her feat quite a bit but still couldn't put her down because of everything else she can do.

eSkarre sucks a lot more when your opponent runs a line of infantry up in your face and then feats. Too bad, you can't target the guys right in front of you, and you can't get to the rest of the army.

I've also always had a disliking for pThags as well. Sure Absylonia's feat will heal her warbeasts but it doesn't work if you kill them. Just spread a little damage out among her warbeasts to make popping the feat a waste, and then on your next turn start killing everything. If you can kill 2 of them you'll usually be alright. Thags just brings it back to life. With him you have to kill the beast twice, while with her you have a chance of only having to do it once.

[jandrese]

The bigger annoyance with Abby is not only that her feat brings her beast back up to full health, but the beast in question was DEF 17 ARM 18 and immune to knockdown to begin with.

[Deo85]

I'm still waiting for Haley3's feat where the Cygnar player gets to kick you in the reproductive organs and steal your minis.

LOL thanks for that. I would not put that past Haley3 feat

[Terraneaux]

It's frustrating when the caster has a baller feat *and* a killer spell list, when so many other casters seem to be balanced around having amazing one or the other.

The other thing about eHaley's feat? It doesn't matter what her control area is, her feat is table-wide, because all models not in her control area *must* act after models who are. And thus your support, wherever it is on the table, is likely obviated. That **** needs to be fixed.

[jandrese]

LOL thanks for that. I would not put that past Haley3 feat

It should be noted that while Kreoss and eKreoss have ballbusting feats, eeKreoss has a watered down version of eVayl's lackluster feat combined with a slightly nerfed form of Purification (a spell he had in his Prime form). There is a solid chance that eeHaley's feat won't be so great. The problem is that if it isn't great, then it's hard to imagine a spell list that will beat out eHaley's. eKreoss at least had a disappointing spell list to go with his awesome feat, eHaley has an insanely good spell list and an incredible feat to go with her already very good stats.

[Nuriochi_sol]

I feel Vindictus' Feat is pretty harsh against infantry-heavy armies. Recent game with my Farrow, I weathered it fairly well, but it certainly gave me pause and caused me to use my own Feat (Carver) perhaps a round sooner than I would have normally, since I wanted to make sure that if my models were going to go, they'd go out swinging for the fences. Tough rolls helped a lot though. My dice were with me. I could see my other armies, with less access to Tough, being even less happy...

[bodare]

Few things make me giggle as much as when I put Gorten down on the table, see my opponent wince, and hear "Oh #*!%, that's the land-slidy d-bag dwarf, isn't it?"

Oh yeah... I remember my first time against him. I remember reading the feat and though "okay, not too bad. I can do this". My other friend even warned me... several times.

Other feats may be more powerful, but I will never ever forget Gorten. Ever. It scarred me for life.

[Deo85]

Every time I play agents eHaly feat it feels like some one smashed a guitar over my head and proceeded to kick me down a flight of stairs. Nothing fun about this wonder women

[Hasten]

I don't know that it's the most difficult to deal with, but I've certainly come to FEAR Lylyth2's feat, having been on the receiving end of it so many times. Nothing you can do but wince and hope your opponent rolls low.

-H

[Lanz]

I don't know that it's the most difficult to deal with, but I've certainly come to FEAR Lylyth2's feat, having been on the receiving end of it so many times. Nothing you can do but wince and hope your opponent rolls low.

-H

Or camp focus. Camping focus hurts.

[Unknown_Lifeform]

Generally denial feats are hated more than offense feats. eKreoss has an absolutely crushing feat, but you don't see it mentioned in here. It's when the feat is basically "lose your turn" that people really really hate it. As someone who's army depends a lot on order of activation and uses a lot of melee, I hate eHaley's feat the most. It's also the only feat I can think of that affects models outside of the (already enormous) control area.

This holds true in every wargame I've ever played. Something with masses of offensive power or resilience may be seen as nasty/overpowered/cheesy, but its things that mess with your ability to use or play your own army that really infuriates people. Most wargames are usually "you play your stuff, I play mine, may the best player win". If your opponent has an uber unit you can react to it, even try to avoid or restrict it if that's the best you can do, but when something takes away your control you're left powerless and unable to influence the game. People really hate that.

I've played kreoss and eHaley, and whilst both have amazing feats only eHaley's left me feeling somehow violated.

[A8mew]

Obliterator Rocket. That it can be used twice makes it even worse.

[Scottl1]

This holds true in every wargame I've ever played. Something with masses of offensive power or resilience may be seen as nasty/overpowered/cheesy, but its things that mess with your ability to use or play your own army that really infuriates people. Most wargames are usually "you play your stuff, I play mine, may the best player win". If your opponent has an uber unit you can react to it, even try to avoid or restrict it if that's the best you can do, but when something takes away your control you're left powerless and unable to influence the game. People really hate that.

I've played kreoss and eHaley, and whilst both have amazing feats only eHaley's left me feeling somehow violated.

I agree with this. +1

[Drzombieface]

I would say eHaly is pretty bad.

*snort* what?





As for my most hated:

1. pSevvy (Cryx likes its Focus right where it belongs, you greedy old man)
2. eKreoss (Suddenly my high DEF doesn't matter at all)
3. pBaldur (Screw that hippie, poppin up trees everywhere... teleporting...making me go slow...)


eHayley's feat makes me feel like I need an adult after suffering from stranger danger, but it's not as bad as when all your stuff dies.

[tuttleboy]

Gaspy2 and Calandra piss me off. Gaspy2 has been hit with the nerd bat twice and his feat is still a game breaker. A lot of the other if you advance bad stuff happens Re pretty sweet, too but those 2 are ball breakers.

[Mavwick]

Ask Hacksaw about eDenegra.

[Walz]

I don't like Gortens feat at all. Especially in scenario play. I could imagine that eKreoss feat is scary to my opponent. :P I have played him only twice and both times it was just nuts with weapon master infantry...

[Shuyung]

If this is any kinda guide, the players have spoken and WARMACHINE feats are overwhelmingly better than HORDES feats.