35pt pButcher list Vs Cryx

[Minotaur]

I am using the following list in a game against a Friend on Wednesday who will be using Cryx. I have 1 point leftover, but do not have a wardog model, unfortunately. I could always switch the Kodiak for a Juggernaut (which I have) and with two points get Gormon diWoulfe or a Widowmaker marksmen (both of which I have).

> Butcher
----->Kodiak

> Great Bears

> Doomreavers
with Greylord Escort UA

> Widowmakers

> Greylord Ternion

> Koldun Lord

> Man O War Shocktroopers

The idea is that the list moves in two contingents: 1 with the Butcher and Man O Wars, the other with the Greylords and Doomreavers. The Great Bears will move in the centre, and switch around to help out whichever contingent needs help or comes under thread. The Widowmakers will do the same.

I do not have too many other models in my collection to switch around with, nor can I purchase anything new for a while: decimator, destroyerx3, Juggernautx3, Spriggan, Winter guard infatnry min x2, Winter guard rifle corps max x1, & Man O War Bombardiers. Other Warcasters I have are: pIrusk, pSorcha, Irusk, Zerkova, and eVlad.

My opponent has the following models: pDenny, pSkarre, pistol wraithx2, darragh wrath, blackbanes ghost raiders, revenant crew, black ogruns, BLT, bane knights, deathjack, deathripperx2, defiler, slayer, helldiver.

[philipcryx]

use a lot of threats, denney will Parrasite your caster or your jack then use crippling grasp on the other or one of your units.

Use the Doom Reavers (DR) to take out one arc nod and MoW to tie up the other.

If you face the Ghost Radiers send DR against them since you need magic weapons to kill them before they attack.
Revenant Crew can be a pain but they are more tarpit, just kill the commander of the unit first or at least during your attack.
Ogruns, pain but they cant drag your heavys so screen with a jack if you can
PW annoying but manage, DR can kill them before they attack but once they do attack they can die pretty easy.
Darragh Wrath - ? no experience playing with or against...sorry
BLT - kill him asap
bane Knights - uh at least they are not stealth so your range should beable to take them out with great dice rolls, but BLT should be your main focus
DJ - prepare for pain and death...but once you hit it with some of your powerhouses it will die like all the rest.

[Minotaur]

Yeah, I am starting out Cryx as well, and that combination is one I would use.

Thanks for the tips regarding the arc nodes. He will most likely have a few incorporeal models around, like the raiders and pistol wraiths.
Revenant crew I have not faced before, but I use the same disable the commander of the unit with the ghost raiders, so I am confident I can pull that off. I was using Menoth the last time though. With Wrath he is more dangerous if Soul Hunters are around, but he is not the hardest model in the game to destroy.

The again I could always use the Grey Lords to take out the Incorporeal stuff.

Go for BLT first, then Bane Knights, got it.

Deathjack - Great Bears on the charge with the butchers feat turn? That is 6 attacks, 3 with 5d6, 3 with 4d6? Or doomreavers instead?

[philipcryx]

I am a HUGE Doom reaver fan and since i have never used Great Bears i can not say but either or if you can get a charge against DJ you are laughing, feat or not.

Grey Lords, good choice, another unit i dont have so i never thought of them.

[philipcryx]

I am a HUGE Doom reaver fan and since i have never used Great Bears i can not say but either or if you can get a charge against DJ you are laughing, feat or not.

Grey Lords, good choice, another unit i dont have so i never thought of them.

[PG_General Nemo]

You are going to have trouble with Crippling Grasp with Shocktroopers as your main unit, so I would invest in an Eiryss2 to shoot off those nasty upkeeps (Whenever you find yourself in the position to do so). Zerkova will also have a bit of an easier time than the Butcher, thanks to Banishing Ward and a feat that lets you get there first.

[Steamwitch]

use the widow makers to snipe arcnodes. AND ROLL DAM. you are only dice -4. I would aim with the widowmakers to hit tho. Use a mod. As bait to have the node come up and shoot it off. Keep the kodiack. Its the best jack imo for pbutcher. Koldune lord is questionable with only one jack and i have never seen battle wiz proc. I would drop him for gorman or something in the 3pt range you own. Decimator is acctually good for orsus imo because he can give it quite a bit of focus and be fine. Then the koldune lord would work. My 2 cents.

[Minotaur]

Thanks for all the input guys. To whoever mentioned Eiryss: I don't have the model, and as stated in the original post I do not have access to a nearby store which stocks the PP range, to picking up extras is a no-no. Now, I just need to get a practice game in.

[Steamwitch]

be sure to tell how it went

[Minotaur]

I will. I just need to finish my 3 widowmakers, and the army list above will be fully painted. I will try and write up a battle report, or something.

[Minotaur]

Well, checking back in, I won the game. When I get the chance I will post more. It was close though, but I need more practice with Khador.

My opponent used:

Deneghra
Deathjack
Slayer
Blackbanes Ghost Raiders (min)
Bane Knights (min)
Revenant crew (min)

[Steamwitch]

yarg casper spam. That sux. :/ time to buy lady aiyana and master holt! They are acctually worth it beyond magic weapon vendors look em up

[Minotaur]

I just checked them up on Battle College. I actually already liked those models. One of the problems in the game was that the Doomreavers were busy with the Deathjack, and the Greylords were deployed badly by myself and did not do much for the game.

Lady Aiyanna's Lurynsar's Touch would have been invaluable during that game. If it works on ranged weapons, it would have been even more valuable, and my own counter strike would not have been as risky. I would have found this army easier to take on with my Menoth models, with all the magical weapons, but that's a different story entirely.

[Steamwitch]

It works on ranged I belive? But yea they are worth it as our magic has a hard time "getting there". But the only model I would also reccomend is Kell bailock, magic sniper with 2 shots aiming is a really nice pistol wrathe deterent I hate death chill on my jacks. Harlan Versh is a good one too but he likes to hunt stuff with buffs on them to get the most out of him a unit with blur, snipe, ect on them yes please! Those besides the normal suspects are all really helpfull in the "magik" depart ment.

[Minotaur]

True that. I like the Versh model but not so much Kell.

[Steamwitch]

kells face is screwed up onbone side ala scarface. At first i thought i got a horrid cast but nope for somereason hes takeing a break from flippin a coin. Other than that i like him. Hes very good.

[CHaoTiCTeX]

use the widow makers to snipe arcnodes. AND ROLL DAM. you are only dice -4. I would aim with the widowmakers to hit tho. Use a mod. As bait to have the node come up and shoot it off. Keep the kodiack. Its the best jack imo for pbutcher. Koldune lord is questionable with only one jack and i have never seen battle wiz proc. I would drop him for gorman or something in the 3pt range you own. Decimator is acctually good for orsus imo because he can give it quite a bit of focus and be fine. Then the koldune lord would work. My 2 cents.

If i remember the bonejack's grids right, you only need 4 or 5 damage to take the arc nodes out, I would just use snipe to put the damage exactly where I want it, as opposed to rolling and getting the head or a bad roll that only does 1 damage anyway.

[Minotaur]

Yeah, widowmakers are great for that. No arc nodes in the last game though.

[Steamwitch]

If i remember the bonejack's grids right, you only need 4 or 5 damage to take the arc nodes out, I would just use snipe to put the damage exactly where I want it, as opposed to rolling and getting the head or a bad roll that only does 1 damage anyway.

you can always choose witch colum it goes to. You are choseing if you want auto ping, or dam. Vs kfc? I always roll espechally with how there nodes are spread.

[Minotaur]

He didn't have chickens, so I took shots at the Deathjack, I rolled the first one, and then decides to take damage off the arms instead.