Fluff question on Thyra

[Soulblighter]

She's young(ish), ambitious, ruthless, powerful and intelligent and even if Kreoss' star keeps on rising, she's still best placed to become the leader of the Protectorate upon Sevvy's eventual death.

Nah. Feora is just another moustache twirling villain who's evil plots are constantly foiled. Like that time she lost to Stryker (haha she lost to Stryker) and had to set a church full of people on fire so she could escape.

Feora may try to take over the Protectorate but we all know Kreoss is going to pimpslap her HARD. She has absolutely no chance against him. Ever. Plus Kreoss has a horsey now, so you know he means serious business.

She and Severius have hated each other for years so no she just hates him but she probably would have been upset if anybody but her was made Hierarch.

I dunno if she hates Severius like she hates Kreoss, but she certainly doesnt feel as secure in her position now that Voyle is dead. Voyle was pretty much the only one who saw her as an asset rather than a liability. Although it honestly wouldnt surprise me if Voyle comes back to life "LOLOL WASSUP GUYS IM BACK OH BY THE WAY MENOTH SAYS HI."

[Bollster]

Can't disagree more! She didn't lose to Stryker because she set a church on fire, dropped it on his head and had him out cold for months which let her retake Sul and push into Caspia. I'd rack that up as a solid win. As for Kreoss, well he's good and all but she isn't going to "try" and take over the Protectorate, as soon as Sevvy drops off his mortal coil, her political nous will ensure that the Synod elects her into a ruling position. Kreoss is way too far up north to interfere, as is the Harbinger.

[Soulblighter]

She was going to lose to Stryker, thats the whole reason she had to drop a church on his head lol. If she could've killed Stryker she would've. Anyone who cant kill Stryker isn't worthy of being Hierarch.

[Bollster]

...Seriously? So she was going to lose until she won. She used the environment against him, what's wrong with that? And Sevvy has yet to kill Stryker, or any caster that we've seen in the fluff yet.

[Soulblighter]

How did she win? Stryker lived and saved the people and then killed Voyle (it was her job to protect him)... seems like she lost to me. Feora is pretty much the worst character, and just comes off as a cheap villain most of the time. She had some potential for development during the invasion of sul but then she completely reverted as a character.

[Sul-Menite]

How did she win? Stryker lived and saved the people and then killed Voyle (it was her job to protect him)... seems like she lost to me. Feora is pretty much the worst character, and just comes off as a cheap villain most of the time. She had some potential for development during the invasion of sul but then she completely reverted as a character.

Where are you pulling this from? Feora has never been Voyle's bodyguard and why would it be only her job to protect him as opposed to Kreoss?. Even if she was his bodyguard, he specifically told the warcasters who he was marching with him in Sul not to interfere with any of his fights and we all saw what happened to Vilmon when he disobeyed Voyle.

[Themainmenoth]

Where are you pulling this from? Feora has never been Voyle's bodyguard and why would it be only her job to protect him as opposed to Kreoss?. Even if she was his bodyguard, he specifically told the warcasters who he was marching with him in Sul not to interfere with any of his fights and we all saw what happened to Vilmon when he disobeyed Voyle.

if anyone was voyle's right hand man, it was reznik, Feora was though defiantly his runner up though.

[Sul-Menite]

if anyone was voyle's right hand man, it was reznik, Feora was though defiantly his runner up though.

I disagree (I know I've been doing that a lot lately ) Escalation basically describes Severius as Voyle's right hand man. Reznik was just a tool so I'd call him Voyle's main enforcer. And he was fond of amon since Voyle founded the order of the fist and was the one who discovered Amon's warcaster talent. So he and Feora weren't especially close, he recognized she was good at what she did (leading the flameguard) so let her do her thing in Sul (Voyle wasn't blind to Feora's burning ambition though).I think you could say the same thing for Voyle and Kreoss's relationship.

[Bollster]

How did she win? Stryker lived and saved the people and then killed Voyle (it was her job to protect him)... seems like she lost to me. Feora is pretty much the worst character, and just comes off as a cheap villain most of the time. She had some potential for development during the invasion of sul but then she completely reverted as a character.

How did she win? By knocking him out cold for months! Then she was going to kill him till Kreoss stopped her (seriously, why would you do that)? I love Feora, I don't see her as a villain at all, it's worth remembering that she only wants to rule the Protectorate in order to advance Menoth's glory. She has the same goals as everyone else in the Protectorate except that she wants herself to be at the helm because she thinks she'd be the best at it.

[Silverstar843]

Reznik was (and is perfectly happy with being) just simply an executioner. He loves killing people for Menoth and Voyle took him and molded him into something capable of doing that and being rewarded for it. As for Feora, Voyle saw the potential to turn her against his enemies (as seems to be the same with Reznik). Feora was never his bodyguard; Voyle was his OWN bodyguard. He invented the Order of the Fist and he trained constantly. Through sheer force of will and faith he was untouchable by anything other than a weapon imbued with the power of the god he served.

[Pixl]

She has anger issues, specialy since her family was killed by a band of mercs working for cygnar. As she saw this she got so mad her warcaster potential "woke up" and she killed the mercs.

She then started to do raids into to cygnar to seek revenge. A local priest told her to stop as he was afraid that cygnar forces would retaliate and she punched the priest. As hitting a meonoth priest is pretty serious she got locked up and sentenced to death, feora heard about her and set her free and trained her to become a warcaster and to controll her anger.

Thats about it, short version. For details, buy wrath as it is a realy nice read

[Tarma]

Kreoss is not a priest, so he is not a candidate, to the post as head of the Protectorate, (and I don't think he has any ambition about that). Feora is not a scrutator, and I don't think, that the Synod would elect a non scrutator, if they could avoid that, (remember all hierarchs has been scrutators, and I think, the Synod want to keep it that way).

That is Feora's ambitions, and her lark of commen courtesy, there has get her on collision course, with Kreoss and Severius, (in Escalation, you get that impression, that she think she stand far over the Grand Scrutator). She don't like Reznik, because he don't have any ambition, he is satisfied with that post, he has.

And I never say that Feora can't lead, only that I don't think she have the ability to lead on topplan. She has don a good work with the Flameguard, and she deserve credit for that.

Tarma

[Soulblighter]

Kreoss is not a priest, so he is not a candidate

Why would not being a priest make him ineligible? Kreoss has the same exact rank as Feora (both heads of their respective military orders and both answer only to the Hierarch). Feora may have "High Priestess" in her title but shes still not a Visgoth. I would say they both have equal eligibility. Really it comes down to whoever the Synod chooses... and of course the Harbinger will get her say as well.

Voyle was his OWN bodyguard

Yeah because that worked out for him so well.

[Matthaeus]

[Feora]'s young(ish),

I have a question about this... She wasn't mentioned on that document that showed the birthdates of several key characters, and I distinctly remember her being referred to as an "old priestess" somewhere.
Do you mean young as in "politician young" ?

[Silverstar843]

Voyle was his OWN bodyguard

Yeah because that worked out for him so well.

It worked for years. It took a divine weapon in the hand of a super-powered and armored swordsman to even hit him.

[Tarma]

Because Kreoss is formal a layman, and should as such, obay every priest, but I think, that is the fewest priest, who just would command, the head of the Exemplars around, even Feora is not that stupid. And what title would you give him? He can't be Hierarch, that is a priest title.

Tarma

[dchadpage]

All this talk about how Feora is a villain is heresy. She serves Menoth with more passion and purity than any of those other poseurs!

[Minotaur]

I guess it's just coincidence she happens to have enough ambition to make MacBeth raise an eyebrow.

[Bollster]

I have a question about this... She wasn't mentioned on that document that showed the birthdates of several key characters, and I distinctly remember her being referred to as an "old priestess" somewhere.
Do you mean young as in "politician young" ?

I did mean politician young, she's about 40 I think although I have no reference for that and could be completely wrong!

[Soulblighter]

Because Kreoss is formal a layman, and should as such, obay every priest, but I think, that is the fewest priest, who just would command, the head of the Exemplars around, even Feora is not that stupid. And what title would you give him? He can't be Hierarch, that is a priest title.

Thats not how it works though. Kreoss doesnt have to obey every priest. Kreoss answers directly to the Hierarch/Grand Scrutator (the chart in Superiority shows that). Kreoss and Feora both hold the same exact rank. Kreoss is also on much better terms with the Harbinger. I really cant see the Harbinger voting for Feora to be Hierarch.

And what title would you give him? He can't be Hierarch, that is a priest title.

Its within the Synods power to make whoever they choose Hierarch. Usually its a priest but it doesnt have to be.

It worked for years. It took a divine weapon in the hand of a super-powered and armored swordsman to even hit him.

Maybe we read different stories then. Because when I read it, Stryker could barely even hold the sword up... and Voyle basically just ran into the sword and killed himself LOL.

[Silverstar843]

Curse you for making me get up out of my awesome computer chair to get the damn book out of a closet...*plop*there we go....
The quote on the the Aliegant model is atributed to Voyle and says essentially, "if I believe you cannot hit me, you can't." Now page 170, Primarch Arius says that Voyle has absolute unwavering faith. When Harby gives her sword to Stryker, she tells him only faith can defeat faith, which if you think about, gives him courage to lift the blade that's burning him and his instincts are screaming at him to stop. Voyle attempts to block the blade, but the sword guides Stryker impaling him.

Voyle until that point suffers no injuries from swords, warjack weapons, and even a warjack falling on top of him.

[Tarma]

@Soulblighter, if you look on p21, in the Force Book, it says:

"...This title, (hierarch), has special religious signficance and symbolism to the Menite faith, representing absolute theogical authority. Traditionally the rank is bestowed only upon a priest who had the unanimous support of the visgoths, a conjunction that almost never happened..."

And later: "...The laws, (of the Protectorate), stipulated that the Synod could close to surrender its authority to a single priest who earned their unanimous support, who would thencefort be called hierarch...In this regard, hierarch is not an inherited position, nor can it be passed to chosen heir."

So that is rigth, that that the Synod could close whoever they want, but it must be a priest, and that, Kreoss is not, but I agree that he, and Feora, both hold the same exact rank. I don't think that Kreoss would get a higher rank, than he has now, unless PP comes up with a rank, like "High Marshal of the Protectorate", or something like that.

Tarma

[Minotaur]

I am not very up to date on the fluff, and do not have a lot of the older books with a lot of the background material.

Could someone explain to me the context and summarise the story of Garrick Voyle's death please? Thanks.

[Silverstar843]

Minotaur, so there had been a war waging against Cygnar. Caspia and Sul were once the same city divided by a massive river, and there is a prophecy that says that the Hierarch of the Protectorate cannot enter Caspia until the city is made whole. The war had been going well for the Protectorate, as Caspia's walls have never been breached before. Raza, Feora, Testament, Kreoss, Harbinger, Vilmon, and Gravus were all there when Voyle (believing he had won) strode into Caspia. Stryker attempted to negotiate a cease fire by offering Voyle hundreds of Cygnar Menites who wanted to join his cause. Voyle claimed he saw through this cheap ploy and ordered Feora to have her Warjacks fire on the walls, killing the potential citizens. Vilmon would not stand for this and started to challenge Voyle's authority. Voyle declared him a traitor and attempted to kill him, but Harbinger Martyred Vilmon mortally wounding herself in the process. At this point Stryker challenged him and simply could not match Voyle. Stryker ended up near Harbinger who gave him her sword saying, "Only faith can defeat faith. Menoth calls for him." Stryker proceeded to kill Voyle in the way I mentioned in the above post. Feora walked up to Stryker who had collapsed intending to kill him, but Kreoss intervened willing to accept the terms offered by Stryker and the invasion was halted.

[Jake the Dog]

I am not very up to date on the fluff, and do not have a lot of the older books with a lot of the background material.

Could someone explain to me the context and summarise the story of Garrick Voyle's death please? Thanks.

The Forces of PoM book sums up the Caspia-Sul war pretty well.

[Minotaur]

Thanks for all the information on that, it is a very cool story, I will have to read up on it. Another reason why I like Privateer Press so much!

[Soulblighter]

Could someone explain to me the context and summarise the story of Garrick Voyle's death please? Thanks.

Voyle was over level 9000. But Harbinger gave her sword to a level 1 noob and Voyle jumped on it and died.

[lordofnecropolis]

Are we sure that kreoss is not a priest? I seem to recall that he studied as a priest before being recruited into the exemplar order.

His stats and spell list lean toward the idea of him having cleric levels, too.

[Sul-Menite]

Are we sure that kreoss is not a priest? I seem to recall that he studied as a priest before being recruited into the exemplar order.

His stats and spell list lean toward the idea of him having cleric levels, too.

We're sure. Look at pKreoss' entry it specifically mentioned he abandoned the priesthood as a novice just before he joined the exemplar order. Someone who drops out in the first year of medical school isn't a doctor

[Alzer]

We're sure. Look at pKreoss' entry it specifically mentioned he abandoned the priesthood as a novice just before he joined the exemplar order. Someone who drops out in the first year of medical school isn't a doctor

Or ARE they? *waggles eyebrows*

Anyway more to the point.

Kreoss is not a Priest. Having "Cleric Levels" in the Protectorate does not make an individual a Priest. You must be specifically part of the Priesthood to qualify to become Heirarch.

I'm sure Kreoss has a few levels of Cleric all said and done, but he has way more levels of Fighter/Paladin and Warcaster at the end of the day.