@ OP: I wish you, your brother and son the best of luck getting a community built. I work for my LGS and I've been in a similar predicament in the past. The advice given so far to just play whenever possible, show others YOUR interest in the game (it sounds contagious) and be polite about other gamers' choices is the best advice you can take from your post. WM/H is an excellent game and given a chance, will support itself! Have fun!
So that's the reason Sweden steals all our thunder when people are talking about the growth of WM/H sales in Scandinavia, even with the growth of the norwegian WM/H community
-Hey, it's all about the King Haralds.
One of the LGS which i no longer go to but i started playing Warmahordes there, we had a smaller player base maybe 6 of us total. We asked the store owner to get more PP products so we could buy from him instead. He told me that the reason he doesnt really pack PP products there is he got burned on thousands of dollars a while ago from it. When warmahordes came out he had tons of people looking to buy in to it, and he would place pre orders and stuff for people and they would pay up front for the product. But since everything was so back logged that 90% of them asked for there money back after waiting months for it. So he sees it as a financial risk to buy in to PP product.
I now frequent another LGS that has really good support for PP products, but i cant blame some store owners for not wanting to jump in to PP due to alot of them probably having a similar experiences to what that store owner had.
Speaking of stores that only support one game or another I've been looking for stores near me at school and I found one and their website only makes mention of 40k weekly and monthly events. It would be incredibly frustrating to find out they only cater to 40k.
My lgs owner still isnt exactly thrilled when people order PP stuff. When I was starting out and trying to get a khador army started Id have him order a decent sized list. Id come in a few days later and he would tell me that 90% was out of stock with no resupply date. This was of course during the great PP drought and isnt really a problem anymore. Still it left a bad impression on the owner.
Its a great time for people to come to PP from 40K. I suggest you go to this store and play games, run demos. Be extremely outgoing and always explain the game to anyone interested. Over time you will find new players.
This is a great opportunity for you to create your own peer base.
They may have never heard of Warmachine or Hordes, and didn't like the idea of spending cash on an obscure game.
There is the other possibility that they don't want to admit that their favorite game company doesn't care about making a good game, so after spending thousands of dollars they don't want anyone coming and showing them that they could play an effective hordes list for like 150-200$ in a game system that makes sense.
I hope one day in the far future PP will buy GW and make 40k playable.
Last edited by MediumYellow; 07-02-2012 at 11:43 PM.
You can bet this place won't stay in business for too much longer if they're going to be so close minded as to stick their nose up to a game like Warmachine in typical 40k snobbery. It's among a plethora of reasons why I've quit 40k altogether...the friggin community sucks. I say this from experience.
The only problem I have with the Warmachine community is they're a little bit thin skinned but don't berate and "look down" on other games like most 40kers. I'm at home here, if I can keep my big mouth shut...
If you're near NC there is a wonderful store here who welcome all games, even the most obscene...
Just depends on where you are from. The GW community we had here only went down hill when GW got rid of all their staff and moved the store hours, and fired the people who really had a good passion for the game. Now they have one guy run the entire operation here, maybe two now hopefully they figured something out with that as they were store hours suck, and the play space isn't very good either. But I didn't mind the people that were there. What sold me on WM/H is the fact that I had a buddy come over during one of our 40k nights at my place and just show me his skorne army and give me a run down. I then researched the hell out of it bought my battle box of Cryx and rule book and was sold from then on. I was amazed how much fun the game was, and how good the gaming was. It was hard to make the adjustment at first, but after that I couldn't go back to 40k it just didn't have the same appeal. I then passed this on to a good friend of mine and we converted his Tau into a WM faction lol. We play tested them, made cards, as he wasn't big on spending money on a new hobby since he only ever really placed once in a while. But we enjoyed playing it was hilarious and now he is a fan of WM/H too, if he eventually makes his own army will be up to him.
And cheap too.
Yes, Forgeworld, cheap. Think about that for a moment
40k isn't bad, but as you said people look for different things in different games. If people enjoy one thing, why take that away from them?
I am all for poking fun at the systems though. All the money you save on infinity miniatures can go directly to the terrain you need to play a proper game for example.
As for Warmachine/Hordes: the focus on player skill leads to a much wider disparity between players. In the GW systems you can come a decent way if you just build a list.
Mind you, these are not flaws and pros, these qualities cut both ways. Warmachine is a game with a lot of fine lines on tactics and the like, and they are all written on the edge of an axe.
And boy are you going to read them well. It's not for everyone.
In a way it is slightly paradoxical that Warmahordes and Warhammer are both more and less accessible than the other
Placing a special order entails a lot less risk than simply stocking an entire product line. There are plenty of businesses that do it all the time, for a variety of things. A sensible policy requires a deposit of some percentage, refundable in full if the product cannot be delivered and subject to a "Restocking fee" or similar if the order is cancelled by the customer. Customers that routinely abuse the special order process will find that avenue closed to them.
At worst, the retailer ends up with a product on the shelf that may or may not sell - no different in any way than the rest of their stock on hand. But at least you know there's someone who is probably interested in buying it when you order it.
All i know if this LGS would been open minded, told me hey we really arent into that but yea if you want to throw a demo, or hey let us think about it, anything but down right close minded, I would ordered the 65 dollars worth of product from them today and not online. I am not losing total faith, I am going to take my son there and do a battle box game, his Bloodtrolls vs my Cygnar (I hope next week) and put on smiles, laugh, etc. Ill post results here when we get back.
Don't get me wrong: I only play Warmachine/Hordes and I'm very happy with that. At the same time though, I can tell you with 100% certainty that if I was playing GW stuff or even something from the smaller games like Malifaux or Flames of War my local store would have made a lot more money from me by now, since I pretty much have to scour the internet to get 60-70% of what I buy in 3-4 weeks or less. Anything not very recent I try to get from the local store either arrives in a matter of days or a matter of months - nothing in between.
Honestly, if I'm looking to spend x dollars on Warmachine, I'm not going to spend that money on 40K just because the store doesn't carry what I want. If they are willing to order, they'll get the sale - if not, I'll buy what I wanted elsewhere. So it's a bad business strategy to think that discouraging me from what I want will be "profitable" in any way.