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[The Immortal One]

How many titians are enough you think to take out a stormwall? Tomorrow I'm going into a collossal release tourney and I was thinking about playing a skorne list to practice up for warmachine weekend. How many should be able to handle a stormwall. I don't know if I want to use e morg or xerxis.

[Triumph Of Man]

Xerxis? 1 Gladiator.

pMorg? Probably need to apply a mix of 2 Titans to be sure.

[Pixelcycle]

Well I watched one Bronzeback kill a blood marked Stormwall...

I would probably commit at least two to the kill, maybe keep one in each field of fire to limit shooting damage. I bet Tiberion would be great when he comes out especially under Xerxis. A regular sentry and a gladiator would probably work too.

[Sygerrik]

One Bronzeback plus some change. Two Gladiators, probably, depending on buffs/debuffs.

[Earthcrosser599]

I usually run more than I need to kill a colossal, because you can count on your opponent to identify and attack threats to their colossals. Double gladiator, double bronzeback, or one of each works well for me.

[Kenton]

Why do you need to kill a Stormwall? Just use an agoniser to deny it focus and ignore it, kill the caster or win on scenario. Without focus it's just a big, slow obstacle that does occasional damage.

[Triumph Of Man]

Why do you need to kill a Stormwall? Just use an agoniser to deny it focus and ignore it, kill the caster or win on scenario. Without focus it's just a big, slow obstacle that does occasional damage.

Because it's sitting on the the objective.

Or because, you know, as a faction we break them to bits very easily and it's half the enemy army.

[gaminguy]

Zero. Zaal can almost drop one with Karax, almost anything else will overkill it.

If you're choosing between EMorg and Xerxis, Xerxis is probably the way to go. On feat turn the Glad will get it done on average dice, but it's tight. Arcuarii with Fury and feat will just get it done too.

[PG_lord tyrant watt]

Abuse plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

Last Stand plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

Fury plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

Naaresh's feat plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

Bloodmark plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

If your playing Skorne, don't fear the colossals.

[Cronix]

If your playing Skorne, don't fear the colossals.

Only when pHaley is on the field.....

[PG_lord tyrant watt]

Temporal Barrier is no fun and needs an errata.

[Pixelcycle]

So how would a skorne army counteract Temporal barrier to take down a stormwall? Get enough of a threat range to start the charge outside of her control? (probably unlikely I would imagine.)

[PG_strangedane]

pMakeda against Temporal

[The Immortal One]

Well I used a e morg list. I went overkill on the beasts. I used 2 sentries, gladiator, cannoneer, raider, brute and archidon for my beast. The other 4 points was paingivers and an extroller. It was a fun list and did well. I think I did wel with the list because not many people thought I would brink so many beast. I only lost vs cryx raider swarm list and took 4th with 14 people

[Darque]

Why do you need to kill a Stormwall? Just use an agoniser to deny it focus and ignore it, kill the caster or win on scenario. Without focus it's just a big, slow obstacle that does occasional damage.

or you could embrace the spite.

It's their new toy, who wouldn't want to destroy it?

[Talamare]

Xerxis needs nothing, he kills it himself

[Lord Tyrant peers]

Agonise it and then titan smash it, like kenton said if it can't work it can't dictate play. also take orin midwinter get him close to phaley and "no spells" that wench

[Sygerrik]

Temporal Barrier is no fun and needs an errata.

Serious question: What errata would fix it? I can't think of any way to preserve the functionality of that spell without it being busted because it is inherently busted as a thing. Maybe allow things to run? Even then, they just get in the Stormwall's charge range and bite it.

[Isante]

I've had zero issues with colossal so far. Titans can take it down pretty easily and the agonizer makes their 20ish point model pretty useless.

Played one tonight with Xerxis and moved straight at eHaley. The other player was forced to basically move stormwall right infront of Tiberion and Xerxis to stop them from charging Haley... Xerxis combo smitted it and Tiberion punched it a few times and it died... with arcane shield on it. The agonizer is the key piece to basically make it uselss for a turn and give your opponent the option to back up to save it and kill the agonizer or put it infront of you to hold your army up. Nine times out of ten they will have to put it infront of you to stop them rolling over them.

[dboeren]

Serious question: What errata would fix it? I can't think of any way to preserve the functionality of that spell without it being busted because it is inherently busted as a thing. Maybe allow things to run? Even then, they just get in the Stormwall's charge range and bite it.

Allowing them to charge (still at reduced speed) would go a long way...

[Beckman]

Temporal Barrier is no fun and needs an errata.

I do not play Cygnar, and I play all the Hordes faction.. so I'm trying my best to be somewhat impartial here... But TB hits you so hard because you have short charge ranges to begin with and low SPD. pHaley can sit behind her Colossal and catch you in the aura. Gladiator with Rush charges 9.5, so you'd be hard pressed to charge the colossal with pHaley unawares. Other armies, with more shooting and longer charge ranges have an easier time.

It's still a really annoying spell. If TB gets an errata, I would hope that other annoying stuff would as well. I'm looking at you, eGaspy & eSorsha.

[Rynth]

I do not play Cygnar, and I play all the Hordes faction.. so I'm trying my best to be somewhat impartial here... But TB hits you so hard because you have short charge ranges to begin with and low SPD. pHaley can sit behind her Colossal and catch you in the aura. Gladiator with Rush charges 9.5, so you'd be hard pressed to charge the colossal with pHaley unawares. Other armies, with more shooting and longer charge ranges have an easier time.

That's the main reason, but it is further exacerbated by or mostly middling DEF getting dropped to crap, our "choir" providing no defense and requiring a charge for offense, and that our ranged game is typically low power bolstered by special abilities like Annihilating Gaze and Burst Fire which are nigh useless against TB backed Colossals. TB almost perfectly denies Skorne its strengths.

[Rockhound]

I took out a Stormwall in 6 hits with an enraged BBack. It was Xerxis, but not a feat turn. Tusks, War Gauntlet, War Gauntlet, Chain Attack headbutt (for the extra attack only), bought another 2 attacks. (I actually missed on two other attacks!)

[eKraye]

I've had zero issues with colossal so far. Titans can take it down pretty easily and the agonizer makes their 20ish point model pretty useless.

Played one tonight with Xerxis and moved straight at eHaley. The other player was forced to basically move stormwall right infront of Tiberion and Xerxis to stop them from charging Haley... Xerxis combo smitted it and Tiberion punched it a few times and it died... with arcane shield on it. The agonizer is the key piece to basically make it uselss for a turn and give your opponent the option to back up to save it and kill the agonizer or put it infront of you to hold your army up. Nine times out of ten they will have to put it infront of you to stop them rolling over them.

....That's all it is for me is a 19 point roadblock, good thing you fell for it.

[doom_reaver]

Serious question: What errata would fix it? I can't think of any way to preserve the functionality of that spell without it being busted because it is inherently busted as a thing. Maybe allow things to run? Even then, they just get in the Stormwall's charge range and bite it.

I think adding (except Skorne) to the end of the spell description would balance everything.

[Rockhound]

Played a game last night against Sorcha2 and a conquest. After a very uneventful feat turn from Sorcha, I was able to take out the Conquest with one Bronzeback. Non-charge and no enrage, but it did take Xerxis's feat do make it happen. Took nine attacks to do (Tusks, war guantlet x2, grab and smash headbutt, and buying 5 attacks.) He also took out the Great Bears and a couple Man O'War Demo Corp grunts the round before. Not looking forward to facing off against a Kraken though, at least not the waves of banes and/or mechanithralls to get to one.

[JBRocky]

Abuse plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

Last Stand plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

Fury plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

Naaresh's feat plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

Bloodmark plus enrage plus Bronzeback will get it done.

If your playing Skorne, don't fear the colossals.

Was about to say something just like this.

[Cronix]

With eMakeda you can avoid Temporal Barrier, but you must take a couple models for the job..
Titan Gladiator: for rush, push
Titan Bronzeback: gets leash
Paingiver: enrage

With road to war, the bronzeback has enough thread to ignore Haley + Squire TB. Add Agonizer in the list and you can survive a second Stormwall (no focus no overkill). You can take Molik Karn but he is Squishy, but he can avoid it better than anyone else.

[various]

One. Earlier today i scrapped a Colossal (Conquest) with my Titan Gladiator. It was undamaged when i started on it and it took me two rounds. i had my Agonizer hiding nearby to prevent Focus allocation but no buffs on the Gladiator. 10pts vs 19pts. Those things are tough but we Skorne have plenty of hard hitting units that can get the job done. Thanks for the game Tilaurin!