High Reclaimer - Bad matchup list ie who can see through clouds

[spooner]

Thought i'd start up a little list for things the high reclaimer doesn't like

please add yours below and i'll update as we go along

Warmachine

Cryx

Cygnar
B13 - Flare
Seige - Magesight
Kraye - Magesight
Thunderhead - auto hit shooting

Khador
Old Witch - battlegroup and her ignore clouds, also feat is infantry hate
eFeora - shatterstorm is rfp
eVlad - Wind Blast removes clouds
Spriggan - Flare

Menoth
eSevy - gives battle group awareness
Rhoven - allows one model to ignore clouds

Retribution
Vyross - birds eye gives battlegroup ignore clouds
MHSF - Phantom Seeker ignore LOS

Mercs


Hordes

Circle
Grayle - battlegroup get awareness

Legion
eyless sight models / casters

Skorne
Cyclops shaman - ghost shot
Extoller Soulward - grants eyeless sight to a model

Trolls

Minions

[PG_Mr. Golden Deal]

Thought i'd start up a little list for things the high reclaimer doesn't like

please add yours below and i'll update as we go along

Warmachine

Cryx

Cygnar

Khador
Old Witch - battlegroup and her ignore clouds, also feat is infantry hate

Menoth

Retribution
Vyross - birds eye gives battlegroup ignore clouds


Mercs


Hordes

Circle

Legion
eyless sight models / casters

Skorne

Trolls

Minions

eSevvy and Grayle (Circle) both have Awareness, which lets the battle group see through clouds.

Khador also has Spriggans, whose flares lets other models see through clouds, and the Black 13th has a flare ability too.

The Mage Hunter Strike Force completely ignores LoS and also ignores concealment, making the clouds totally useless.

[paradox]

1. Please re-format the OP to get rid of the horrible color-coding. It's eye-gouging. I'm guessing the yellow blur is Menoth, but I can't tell.

2. Anyone with Mage Sight (Seige, Kraye, Sloan, IIRC). Or Windblast (Vlad2, Kruger1 or 2, IIRC). Eyeless sight. Legion, krea, extoller, IIRC. Some stuff that springs to mind.

He also doesn't like anything that collects souls in closer ranges than he does (mainly Cryx).

[SpiderBite]

add in:
Ghost Shot
Phantom Hunter



(and plz get rid of the colours in the OP)

[Silverstar843]

For menoth, Rhoven and Co. Errants can have Hunter.
For Cygnar, Siege and Kraye have mage sight. Thunderhead's *attack does not require a target or LOS. While Lynch himself cannot see through clouds, he ignores concealment. He can place a 5" AOE shot that will allow anyone to ignore clouds shooting a target inside the AOE. Gun Mage Adept can ignore LOS.
Skorne has Extoller Soulward which can grant Eyeless Sight to a model. Cyclops Shaman has ghost shot.
Legion Striders can easily have hunter.

[Bishop84]

Errants can have Hunter.
Legion Striders can easily have hunter.

Hunter does not ignore cloud effects when determining LOS, only Forests. It ignores concealment, but that only works if something is in the cloud.

[SnakeEyes]

If this is a list of "things that the HR doesn't like" then I'd say to add an addendum list of RFP effects. He hates that equally because it neuters his feat.

[jandrese]

Another thing he doesn't like is fast models that can run around his control area and shoot around the clouds.

[Silverstar843]

Hunter does not ignore cloud effects when determining LOS, only Forests. It ignores concealment, but that only works if something is in the cloud.

correct, my mistake. But, as you pointed out, clouds DO provide concealment...

[Bishop84]

correct, my mistake. But, as you pointed out, clouds DO provide concealment...

Right, but I don't know any HR player that puts his guys in the clouds when he can just put the clouds in front of his guys to block LOS completely.

[spooner]

updated first post

yeah i have learnt to keep the clouds IN FRONT of the HR

list looks good so far guys - as i see it the major nerfs are things that give battlegroup ignore abilities