Woldwrath Spoiler

[TravR]

Hitting reliably in melee is going to be a challenge given a lack of ways to boost its MAT (aside from Gorax directly casting animus), but overall this is a hugely resilient model (flesh of clay = lol) in a faction that generally is low box / low ARM. P&S19 is also nothing to sneeze at for Circle.

Primal will not work on it, it is not living.

[sourclams]

See? I told you I wasn't primarily a Circle player!

Still, the most fragile faction gets the tankiest model? There's got to be some knock-on benefits there, and the animus just seems golden with spell flingers like Mohsar and Cassius.

[Blaque]

Even not-spell-slingers love it. Baldur2's Crevasse explodes in value with this.

And stuff.

[Charming]

Circle doesn't boost arm with spells outside of Baldur anyway so I think spell ward is a great advantage. We don't get to condition it with the wilder but stones and Megalith can heal it (if you'd have Mega in the same list). A really good gun, nice P+S melee with KD, fantabulous animus, nice tanking ability.. Think this guy wil be incredibly stabile.

[Thanan]

I am SO pumped. This guy is super awesome.

All you haters can keep hating, but he will totally perform amazingly. Don't forget a hunter's marked + bounding woldwrath can book it quite a ways with good MAT on the charge and AOE knockdown.

That, dear friends, is sweet.

[FerrusManus]

Emmm... He's average MAT and he knocks down his target and everyone near him on every hit. If anything, he's quite accurate in melee.

[Blaque]

Circle doesn't boost arm with spells outside of Baldur anyway so I think spell ward is a great advantage. We don't get to condition it with the wilder but stones and Megalith can heal it (if you'd have Mega in the same list). A really good gun, nice P+S melee with KD, fantabulous animus, nice tanking ability.. Think this guy wil be incredibly stabile.

What are Kromac and Morvahna, chopped liver?

Morvahna especially gets a lot of her strength out of Restoration on things like Skinwalkers or Wold Guardians. Kromac on Wold Guardians or Ghetorix.

Now mind, Kromac wants nothing to do with a Construct gargantuan, but it does kind of make Morvahna somewhat sad. Or not. You still can take a Wold Guardian

And stuff.

[Legrasse]

See? I told you I wasn't primarily a Circle player!

Still, the most fragile faction gets the tankiest model? There's got to be some knock-on benefits there, and the animus just seems golden with spell flingers like Mohsar and Cassius.

Wolds have always been tanks, I'd expect the Legion one to be most fragile because that's evidently what wings means on warbeasts. I feel bad for troll players, it seems pretty unfair when you compare the two. I'm conflicted. On the one hand, this is awesome, but I feel profoundly uncomfortable about it and a little guilty. It's like when high school girls hit on you. I think trolls are starting to suffer from having too much good support.

[rpavers]

Wolds have always been tanks, I'd expect the Legion one to be most fragile because that's evidently what wings means on warbeasts. I feel bad for troll players, it seems pretty unfair when you compare the two. I'm conflicted. On the one hand, this is awesome, but I feel profoundly uncomfortable about it and a little guilty. It's like when high school girls hit on you. I think trolls are starting to suffer from having too much good support.

Trolls have menoth tax. Things are average on their own until they turn into voltron.

[BigHoot]

Wait. Animus is "additional die"? Not "boosted"?

And I thought this was ruled to not apply to the Crevasse sprays, although I could be mis-remembering.

[Walter]

It seems like this would make Morvahna happy. It's animus allows her spellspam/harvest game to work much better. It can hide her behind it. Now, it is points in things that aren't regrowthable, but I certainly think she doesn't hate it.

[Lighten]

No, somebody misread an Infernal ruling. Crevasse sprays are a magic attack, but not a "spell", so they get around targetting restrictions but still benefit from the animus.

[Vicomte Athos]

NVM Not going to bother.

[Bishop84]

No, can not heal itself.

This was a shocker. I thought some sort of self heal a la Megalith was all but confirmed at Lock & Load or something. This combined with Spell Ward means it will be fairly fragile and only one of our casters can heal it, plus the Stones.

And let's talk Spell Ward. Other have mentioned how nice it is that it's immune to enemy debuff spells... We're Circle. Druids show up in a lot of our lists, and come with an AOE Counter Magic. Honestly, the last thing we should worry about is enemy debuff spells. And with its cool animus, Druids are an easy buy with it. Spell Ward is a negative for us, no other way to look at it.

Still, overall it looks really nice. The gun will likely be very lackluster for me as even a boosted shot will miss DEF 12 half the time and it only has the one shot, but it still looks really fun to play with and definitely does stuff our other options don't.

[Lighten]

Keep in mind that the spray is a Magical Attack not a Magic attack so it most likely won't get the boost.

Magic Attack (so gets the bonus), not Magical attack.
Per Valander, "The Spray generated is a magic attack, but it is not a spell. "
at http://privateerpressforums.com/show...e+magic+attack

[Jake the Dog]

Pretty nice. Stone Kong will see quite a bit of play in my opinion.

[Charming]

What are Kromac and Morvahna, chopped liver?

Morvahna especially gets a lot of her strength out of Restoration on things like Skinwalkers or Wold Guardians. Kromac on Wold Guardians or Ghetorix.

Now mind, Kromac wants nothing to do with a Construct gargantuan, but it does kind of make Morvahna somewhat sad. Or not. You still can take a Wold Guardian

And stuff.

I'm just stuck in my thinking that restoration goes on skinwalkers lol. But it's a bit sad, restoration on it would be nice but I still don't think it's a big enough deal for spell ward to not be an overall good thing! There are some real nasty spells out there, but the wold wrath mainly has to worry about Gorman and pistol wraiths

[eliassmith27]

I love this model, just wish he was buffable beyond just a couple animi.

Did we get a new Tier list to? I'd like to see it.

[Vicomte Athos]

Pretty nice. Stone Kong will see quite a bit of play in my opinion.

He'll see play in Baldur and may be Mohsar but not much else. Kreuger has better things to take and taking a 20 point model just to use awareness from Grayle is laughable. pMorvhanna, Kaya, and Kromac have no use for him. You shouldn't even be fielding Cassius to begin with but you might get use out of Wrath if you find your sanity unhinged. EMorvhanna comes out in the same book so she should perform well with it (that is the way with all the new casters and shiny releases it seems). Spell Ward instead of Sacred ward keeps it in the mid tier of colossals/gargantuans, definitely no Stormwall.

[Bishop84]

I'm also not convinced the gun is "something Cygnar will be jealous of". I think 2 shots at the same POW with a point higher RAT and 2 POW 12 AOEs placed anywhere they want, all un-typed, is SO much better especially with all the ranged support they have. More likely it's a gun that Cygnar will snicker at as it tickles them. Still, looks very fun.

[TravR]

I love this model, just wish he was buffable beyond just a couple animi.

Did we get a new Tier list to? I'd like to see it.

No tier for Circle.

You can use some debuffs to help him. Spirit Fang or TK for back strike.

[rpavers]

Vicomte, are you ever happy?

[Vicomte Athos]

Vicomte, are you ever happy?

Yes very often. I will love Woldwrath in my Mohsar and pBaldur lists as they are the primary ones that I play. So don't misunderstand my criticism with discontent. I LIKE woldwrath. I just counterpoint the argument that he will see a ton of play as, much like the Fulcrum, he is only going to get use in a very few casters.

Just because someone is being critical doesn't mean they are negative. Criticism is a GOOD THING. The people who are constants 'everything good all the time' are far more counter productive then the critical ones.

[Blaque]

... You shouldn't even be fielding Cassius to begin with but you might get use out of Wrath if you find your sanity unhinged. ...

Where's Crump? I think he has something to say on this.

I honestly think Krueger2 will love it, as it fixes a lot of his hard-hitting issues in his NQ Themed force.

... Spell Ward instead of Sacred ward keeps it in the mid tier of colossals/gargantuans, definitely no Stormwall.

The only buffs that would of mattered on it are:
- Stone Skin
- Roots of the Earth
- Inviolable Resolve
- Restoration
- Condition
- Spirit Tap (And only Bounding or Wraithbane works on it anyways)

That's it. Lightning Tendrils is half-wasted. You can't Wild Aggression, Foreced Evolution, or Occultation it. You couldn't benefit from Warpath or Shadowpack from it either. The main thing really we're losing out on is a single damage buff, and abilities to put it above ARM 20 (of which right now, two colossals can do caster-independently).

Spell Ward is annoying, no doubt, and the gun being something Cygnar would be jealous of reads a bit of PP not actually getting what players of a Faction tend to want to kill for. But I think that it is, to me, already showing to be probably one of the best gargantuans, and probably better with more casters than a couple colossals are in their respective Factions.

Sure, not a Stormwall. I don't think even the Stormwall should be the Stormwall, and trying to hold something to the standard of "possible mistake" is not a way to avoid disappointment.

And stuff.

[Lighten]

I'm also not convinced the gun is "something Cygnar will be jealous of". I think 2 shots at the same POW with a point higher RAT and 2 POW 12 AOEs placed anywhere they want, all un-typed, is SO much better especially with all the ranged support they have. More likely it's a gun that Cygnar will snicker at as it tickles them. Still, looks very fun.

Yeah, but that's four guns. I'm sure they'd be happy to take four of these on the Stormwall instead

[PPS_Hungerford]

Wait. Animus is "additional die"? Not "boosted"?

And I thought this was ruled to not apply to the Crevasse sprays, although I could be mis-remembering.

The animus is "additional die" not "boosted". I was going off memory when I told someone about it at WarGames Con, apologies for any confusion there

[HellecticMojo]

Mat 6
As a troll player I mad and mad jelly.

[BigHoot]

Thanks Will.

[Legrasse]

He'll see play in Baldur and may be Mohsar but not much else. Kreuger has better things to take and taking a 20 point model just to use awareness from Grayle is laughable. pMorvhanna, Kaya, and Kromac have no use for him. You shouldn't even be fielding Cassius to begin with but you might get use out of Wrath if you find your sanity unhinged. EMorvhanna comes out in the same book so she should perform well with it (that is the way with all the new casters and shiny releases it seems). Spell Ward instead of Sacred ward keeps it in the mid tier of colossals/gargantuans, definitely no Stormwall.

What are you talking about? eKrueger is insane with this thing. Storm wall negates enemy shooting while his feat gives him an extra turn of shooting. He can effectively boost it's rat with TK. With the additional die to hit, he's going to be TK-ing casters from behind walls. He's going to be like Rahn, except he gets the feat every turn.

pKrueger can cast two boosted chain lightnings a turn, or one four dice tornado, which turns a sketchy assassination into a legit one. He has a knockdown spell and this thing has a pow 15 gun. His feat keeps infantry from even approaching this thing.

Grayle is going to be a terror. With sprint he can deliver this animus 24". And he has gallows and access to force bolt, and removes clouds. I am going to traumatize eLich.

I wouldn't take it with Cassius either, because he doesn't need it, the only thing Cassius needs is better players.

[sourclams]

As a troll player, I am now a Circle player.

l8tr h8trs

[Vicomte Athos]

I honestly think Krueger2 will love it, as it fixes a lot of his hard-hitting issues in his NQ Themed force.

I honestly hadn't considered Wake of Destruction. That will help with his movement shenanigans a ton.

The only buffs that would of mattered on it are:
- Stone Skin
- Roots of the Earth
- Inviolable Resolve
- Restoration
- Condition
- Spirit Tap (And only Bounding or Wraithbane works on it anyways)

You also can't bounce those animi from the caster either. It also rules out all further animi we could get.

Sure, not a Stormwall. I don't think even the Stormwall should be the Stormwall, and trying to hold something to the standard of "possible mistake" is not a way to avoid disappointment.

And stuff.

Whether something should exist or should not exist is irrelevant. It does exist and thus it creates a standard that all others are held to. Should Some of the stupid good cryx casters exist? No. But they do; thus they create a rubric that others must be evaluated against. Just because a model release was a mistake doesn't mean that you will now be forced to deal with that screw up.

[Vicomte Athos]

What are you talking about? eKrueger is insane with this thing. Storm wall negates enemy shooting while his feat gives him an extra turn of shooting. He can effectively boost it's rat with TK. With the additional die to hit, he's going to be TK-ing casters from behind walls. He's going to be like Rahn, except he gets the feat every turn.

It is a TON of points out of his list though. What are you sacrificing to get this? In wake of destruction I can see it, his options aren't that great to begin with with but between Woldwraths animus and Eryiss you should be able to give the business to any warcaster you encounter.

pKrueger can cast two boosted chain lightnings a turn, or one four dice tornado, which turns a sketchy assassination into a legit one. He has a knockdown spell and this thing has a pow 15 gun. His feat keeps infantry from even approaching this thing.

Two Geomancers pull the same with easy fury mitigation and no tax on Kreuger, They also cost less in points. They only beneifit pKreuger will see out of this will be more druid shenanigans. Though I think the druids are going to be an Auto-include anytime to take WoldWrath.

Grayle is going to be a terror. With sprint he can deliver this animus 24". And he has gallows and access to force bolt, and removes clouds. I am going to traumatize eLich.

A 20 point investment for just the animus. So you charge Grayle forward, spend the cost of the animus then three for gallows and hope you get in range for a kill with what? No fury to spare if you upkept Stormrager. Yeah, no. Not that great with Grayle.

I wouldn't take it with Cassius either, because he doesn't need it, the only thing Cassius needs is better players.

Cassius needs a damn rewrite. If you do well with cassius I tell you to drop any list you make with him, sub in Mohsar and you will do far better. If you don't then you need to learn to play Mohsar. He is a far stronger caster in the hands of a good player. If you are doing well with Cassius then you are playing in a Cryx/Legion/Circle/Gator light meta or you deal with players who LET themselves get hellmouthed.

[PG_LEJKaya]

Additional die would make me explode in awesome.

Crevasse sprays are magic attacks.

[Blackraine]

He'll see play in Baldur and may be Mohsar but not much else. Kreuger has better things to take and taking a 20 point model just to use awareness from Grayle is laughable. pMorvhanna, Kaya, and Kromac have no use for him. You shouldn't even be fielding Cassius to begin with but you might get use out of Wrath if you find your sanity unhinged. EMorvhanna comes out in the same book so she should perform well with it (that is the way with all the new casters and shiny releases it seems). Spell Ward instead of Sacred ward keeps it in the mid tier of colossals/gargantuans, definitely no Stormwall.

I think there are some lists you will legitimately never see this in. However, I think Morvhana can find a few uses for him, and I'd be surprised if pKrueger didn't take him in higher point games (well, lemme rephrase that... I'd be surprised if I was the only one taking him with pKrueger in higher point games). Kaya and Kromac are, in my opinion, the only casters that won't want him around at the 75 point level, and are probably still the only two that I won't use him with at the 50 point level. But, like you said, him and Mohsar are gonna be best friends... I'm already thinking how fun it'll be to throw down a Woldwrath with Mohsar at 35 points.

[Bishop84]

Mat 6
As a troll player I mad and mad jelly.

Oh, wow. Wow. I never understood what was so 'bad' about the MK. I never realized it's MAT 5. Yikes, sorry. But, I don't know Trolls very well, what kinda MAT buffs do they have? I know you have Primal now... *snicker* (I hate Primal, and if that's your only MAT buff, again I'm sorry.)

I feel bad for troll players, it seems pretty unfair when you compare the two. I'm conflicted. On the one hand, this is awesome, but I feel profoundly uncomfortable about it and a little guilty.

If only more Cygnar players felt like you... I know my friend sure doesn't. It's all Stormwall, all the time.

[eliassmith27]

Are the fists ?
is the gun a?

[Bishop84]

Are the fists ?
is the gun a?

Good question! All the other Wolds have magical fists, so I just sort of assumed. The gun is different enough that I could see it not being magical, but the fists hopefully are.

[Vicomte Athos]

But, like you said, him and Mohsar are gonna be best friends... I'm already thinking how fun it'll be to throw down a Woldwrath with Mohsar at 35 points.

No joke. This is going to be bonkers good with Mohsar. I don't play 35's anymore but just off the top of my head.

Mohsar
-Woldwrath
-Gnarlhorn
Druids+UA
Blackclad
Gallowsgrove

All kinds of fun. Any idea if this bad boy will be at Gencon?

[Blaque]

Asking of a wold's attacks are Magical feels like asking if water's wet. That said, seems to be a good thing to ask.

And stuff.

[rpavers]

Wait now my head hurts. What's the difference between magic attack and spells?