How do you run eSkarre?

[Happy Scrappy Hero Pup]

Contrary to the prevaling wisdom I read on these forums a year ago when I started playing her, lately I've been playing eSkarre with just one heavy (Deathjack - duh!) and finding greater success than when I used to run her with multiples to 'maximise' her feat. I find that feating on opposing models usually ends up crippling my opponent more than simply protecting my important pieces.

Plus, getting witches and solos into a 35pt list is such a nice luxury.

Anyone with similar experiences? Or experiences that invalidate my findings?

[Baenre]

The prevailing wisdom was to load her up with jacks for her feat???? DJ is an obvious choice for her because of spells but she is a very flexible caster with infantry or jacks. Her feat is extremely flexible in any situation so you really shouldn't build a list around her feat like Egaspy.

[Deo85]

I think Egaspy is our only caster you build a list around his feat as the finisher... I think the most common lists I see with eSkarre tends to be Nightmare + DJ so that you have two heavy hitting threats that you can protect and race up the board thanks to eSkarre feat.

[Happy Scrappy Hero Pup]

Yeah, the Nightmare+DJ combo I see mentioned a lot. The thing is, you need to cover Skarre - that's non-negotiable - so if you're covering 2 jacks, that leaves you with one spot to cover the opposing caster, and just one other piece. If you're dealing with Hordes, chances are that means a good beast or two will be free to wreck your army or position to threaten Skarre next turn.

[Admiral_Arzar]

Contrary to the prevaling wisdom I read on these forums a year ago when I started playing her, lately I've been playing eSkarre with just one heavy (Deathjack - duh!) and finding greater success than when I used to run her with multiples to 'maximise' her feat. I find that feating on opposing models usually ends up crippling my opponent more than simply protecting my important pieces.

Plus, getting witches and solos into a 35pt list is such a nice luxury.

Anyone with similar experiences? Or experiences that invalidate my findings?

I'm pretty sure you've discovered the way to make eSkarre better. I tried running her with 3 heavies, and it was bad. Dropped to two, and it was mediocre - the only reason I enjoyed running her was the absurd synergy with Deathjack. If I played her again, I would go your route and just load up on weaponmasters in addition to DJ (Death Ward on Bane Knights, Admonition on DJ - have fun). In 35 I would probably play something like this:

eSkarre +6

-Deathjack 12
Bane Lord Tartaros 4
10 Bane Thralls 8
-UA 3
10 Bane Knights 10
Gorman di Wulfe/Saxon Orrick 2
Skarlock 2

Feat hits Skarre, DJ, Tartaros, and then the other 2 can hit whatever makes sense at the time. At 50, I would add Satyxis of some sort and then an Arc Node maybe.

[Deo85]

because Bane spam solves all problems... I swear WM are becoming the auto include in this game -_-

[Sanctjud]

Step1: Point to eSkarre
Step2: Declare "eSkarre is running"
Step3: Move eSkarre up to 14"
???
Profit!
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eSkarre can be run many different ways, but at the end of the day, you want a Jack Bullet option or an option to maximize Black Spot. The former is more widely done because she has alot to offer her helljacks.

Personally, I run exclusively her theme list. Mucho Raiders, back up Bloodwitches, and Seether/Reaper as her jacks at the 35 point level.

Other times I've run her was a lol-game where I would have Deathjack, Raiders, Surgeons, min McThralls as a McThrall Factory...but all my games ended with Deathjack to the face.

[Island]

"Forwards".



This is my list for next run of eSkarre (35pts):

eSkarre
* Reaper
* Seether
* Skarlock Thrall

10 Satyxis Raiders
* Sea Witch
(*)Satyxis Raider Captain
Darragh Wrathe
2 Pistol Wraiths
Machine Wraith

Apply straight to face.

[Sanctjud]

What is Wrathe for? I know you can beyond death a bunch, but he doesn't look like he's doing much else.

[Scottl1]

eSkarre
• Skarlock
• Deathjack
• Nightmare
• Nightwretch
Rorsh
• Brine
Full Nyss Hunters
Min Unit of Blood Witches
• Blood Hag
Satyxis Captain


This is the 50 pt list I am gonna run next Tuesday if able.

[Scottl1]

eSkarre
? Skarlock
? Deathjack
? Nightmare
? Nightwretch
Rorsh
? Brine
Full Nyss Hunters
Min Unit of Blood Witches
? Blood Hag
Satyxis Captain


This is the 50 pt list I am gonna run next Tuesday if able.

[Cursed]

DJ and Nightmare is kinda auto incluse in a eskarre list.
Run them both up, feat then peredition for teh win.

[BigK42]

I like to run her with a fishing list. Malice, raiders+ua, 1 arc node, pirates+3 rifles, rengrave, then support units to taste. You can either assassinate via backlash, or attrition through the crew.

[Scotty]

The one thing that I leaned the hardway at DieCon is that she LOVES her a saxton or units with pathfinder otherwise you could get boned by walls and other terrane.

Oh and Scott1 don't forget that blackspot works for friendly faction only so although the nyss will benifit from the def debuff they won't be getting extra attacks from their kills.

[Scottl1]

The one thing that I leaned the hardway at DieCon is that she LOVES her a saxton or units with pathfinder otherwise you could get boned by walls and other terrane.

Oh and Scott1 don't forget that blackspot works for friendly faction only so although the nyss will benifit from the def debuff they won't be getting extra attacks from their kills.

I know. That is why i have a second variation with bane knights instead of nyss.

[Island]

What is Wrathe for? I know you can beyond death a bunch, but he doesn't look like he's doing much else.

I got the model because he looks so damn cool, but I never figured out what to use him for. Since I don't know what to do with him, he doesn't go in any lists. So, to figure out what he's good for, I've decided to put him in a bunch of lists and see what happens. In this crowd I imagine death ride could be very useful, and perhaps running him as tanking support behind eSkarre? I'll just have to try and see.

[Lambstar]

This is definately the way to run eSkarre and it's what I've been doing since Mk II (after some test games, of course). She's not Mortenebra: She can't run too many jacks really effectively. She takes 1-2 existing 'jacks and turns them up to 11 with Perdition, Death Ward, Admonition and her feat. Just DJ and a node for perdition is fine at 35pts, while DJ/Nightmare is great for 50. I also want to experiment with the following at some point:

eSkarre +6
Deathjack 12
Kraken 19
Deathripper 4
10 Satyxis Raiders w. Sea Witch 10
Raider Captain 2
Min. Bane Thralls 5
Skarlock 2
Siren 2

Mostly self-explanatory. I'm assuming character restrictions put the WSC in a different list or it might replace the Bane Thralls, but I dunno. If the meta changes toward heavies, having a source of mobile Dark Shroud seems invaluable and they can still be silly disruptive even without thier speed. Infantry seems roughed-up too with the Raiders and a Death-warded Kraken taking point, depending on how much milage you get out of Black Spot.

[Sheer_Falacy]

I got the model because he looks so damn cool, but I never figured out what to use him for. Since I don't know what to do with him, he doesn't go in any lists. So, to figure out what he's good for, I've decided to put him in a bunch of lists and see what happens. In this crowd I imagine death ride could be very useful, and perhaps running him as tanking support behind eSkarre? I'll just have to try and see.

Trouble is, Death Ride only works on undead, so all it's moving is the wraiths. He works better in a list with Bane Thralls (who really need the extra inch), or with a camping caster (where Beyond Death becomes amazing vs Hordes).

[Island]

For some reason I was thinking of a list full of bane knights (that was a pShade list in another thread, it turns out). No, in this list he'll just be helping Skarre tank. I also want to see how useful it is to charge him into stuff when he's invulnerable for a round after.

[Sanctjud]

"Invulnerable" is a pretty non-existant word unless you are Terminus with like 30 souls on feat turn.
As for your third sentence in general, who is it referencing? pShade or Skarre, as Skarre is a 'she'.

As for a list with alot of Bane Knights, I approve

[Sakuzhi]

Meh.. Why not just

..ESkarre +6

Deathjack 12 (self explaining with prediation)
Seether 9 (Cheaper than Nightmare, and is a mini Deathjack so you spend next to no focus ever).
Pick 4 pt Arch node.

Raiders+UA 10

Raider Captain 2

Skarlock 2
Necrosurgeon 2 or another Captain... Or grab the Defiler instead of a 4pt turkey and upgrade the seether to the Nightmare.

It ends up being
1)Get into Position
2)Proceed to punch the enemy in the face, Feat.
3) Kill.

[Sanctjud]

Nightmare is chosen because it can gain ghostly. Terrain mitigation is not something eSkarre does and terrain is not always favorable, especially versus Casters who can create it.

[Lambstar]

Nightmare is also the second-killiest of our jacks (next to the deathjack). It just has a poor damage resistance-to-point ratio. Fortunately, eSkarre goes a long way in fixing that.

[Island]

"Invulnerable" is a pretty non-existant word unless you are Terminus with like 30 souls on feat turn.
As for your third sentence in general, who is it referencing? pShade or Skarre, as Skarre is a 'she'.

As for a list with alot of Bane Knights, I approve

That'd be Wrathe I'm referring to, under the feat. Ran him in a pShade list yesterday, first two lessons are:
1: Wrathe does wonderful things for you when you want to squeeze 6 feat-banes through tiny holes.
2: Wrathe does not kill jacks. Not even small ones.

[PG_Wankel]

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Casters: 1/1Points: 35/35Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast (*6pts)
* Deathripper (4pts)
* Deathjack (12pts)
* Reaper (7pts)
Satyxis Raiders (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Satyxis Raider Sea Witch (2pts)
Pistol Wraith (3pts)
Pistol Wraith (3pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)


this is my 35 point list, ppl really get pissed off when you feat and use 2 pistol wraiths.

Sadly i dont own a nightmare yet. but he would be so in 50 pts

[Sanctjud]

@Wankel:

No Raider Captain, does not compute.
Otherwise, I like the list. The Reaper has done great things for me in an eSkarre list, it generally gets the caster kill as I bait with something more scary like with Deathjack or a Seether.

[PG_Wankel]

@banekitten :P

i know, i dont have the model. i really miss it at 25/35pts. maybe i should drop the siren.

i did several times a predition on reaper, activate shoot and drag... then DJ comes and its it alive.

last game a mulg was hiding behind a cloud from gobblers, pulled him out through a angle created due to predition, smached his, then feated. his army was all jammed, feated, or deathchilled and his caster was in charge lane of the deathjack (360 degree lol). Basicly it was GG at the end of my 2nd turn.

So you think i should switch the siren for the captain?

black spot and pistol wraiths are so awsome.

what i like also is that a very big chunk of the army has advanced deployment.