With pMorghoul - Tiberion or Molik Karn

[PG_DaveZee]

Who would you use with pMorghoul in a hardcore list - Molik Karn or Tiberion?

MK has the speed and offense, Tiberion has the armour and can also hit like a truck and actually get somewhere with pMorg.

[Darque]

Karn, pmorg does some movement shenanigans you may want to take advantage of.

[jettzypher]

in my opinion, tiberion. granted he cant take advantage of admonition, but id rather use it on the bronzeback anyways so he can disengage then count-charge. then on pMorghoul himself to get him out of combat when he gets charged. but tiberion has the survivability to sit on an objective if necessary while the rest of your army deals with massacring your opponent.

[Earthcrosser599]

Both. Karn can go caster hunting and Tiberion can hold the line.

[jettzypher]

fun for casual or single list events, but you don't want both characters in one list for a normal event

[PG_DaveZee]

assume 35 points, and both cannot fit.

[Delrogue]

assume 35 points, and both cannot fit.

Kind of depends on what is in the rest of your lists?

Generally you will always have a Brute in your list for no KD on Morgs, this also covers you for Shield Guard as well. with Admonition and Morgs' high def, I find I don't need Tiberion much. pMorgs generally plays a very beast heavy fast moving assault army...

Tiberion can't be used with Admonition, and he really doesn't require the extra hitting power of Abuse.

Molik on the other hand, can do with both - Abuse and Enrage and Rush (the trinity) gets him to the point where he can trash a heavy (or two) and possibly still have the fury left over for Fate Walker to get him to safety. It also allows him to reliably side-step twice to get somewhere and still have the Pow to finish a heavy off... something he can sometimes struggle with without the Str buff of abuse.

Also - as an assassin, Molik Karn gets stronger the lower the points level. It means less things that can get in between him and the enemy caster.

[PG_DaveZee]

I do have bback, gladiator and brute in the list (loosely based on Lord Tyrant Watt's hardcore list). I know the double shield guard is a bit redundant, but Admonition was never a consideration anyway - Between BBack and Morghoul I have enough viable targets. MK always worries me as squishy for this points, tho, and Tibbers can hit so hard...

[Centa]

I would go with Tibbers. He can take a lot of dmg, and also deal a lot too. Immovable object is a great special rule, coz you can be sure he will remain where you have placed him last turn. No pushing out of objectives, no turning around wit TK, no push back shots from ATMGs, no slams, etc.

With Abuse, Rush and Reach he has a solid threat range of 13". No side step shenanigans, and you cant use BeatBack well with him. But you can be sure he kills what you reach. And on the other hand there is a good chance he will survive a charge from an enemy heavy, maybe two if you can get use out of Bumper.
Another good thing is, your Bronzeback ensures that Tibbers wont enrage, if you cant leech all his fury. And thats not very unliky with a FUR 5 (6 with Maltreatment) lock.

I also like the model much more, it doesnt look like a lil child with big swords. Molik is so skinny ;p

[PG_lord tyrant watt]

Tiberion has some great synergy in a PMorghoul army. The use of Bump on a BBtitan with Admonition is quite funny.

BBtitan gets charged, triggers Amonition, counter charges, hits and does damage, takes the hit from the enemy and then Bumps them into a position that they did not expect. This works really well if they try to position to stop the bump.

You can also use this technique to Bump them into Locker that they were trying to avoid.

[Talamare]

I use both in 15 point pMorg

[Sygerrik]

Tiberion has some great synergy in a PMorghoul army. The use of Bump on a BBtitan with Admonition is quite funny.

BBtitan gets charged, triggers Amonition, counter charges, hits and does damage, takes the hit from the enemy and then Bumps them into a position that they did not expect. This works really well if they try to position to stop the bump.

You can also use this technique to Bump them into Locker that they were trying to avoid.

And this is why Jason Watt is the best WM/H player in the world. I am consistently in awe of your tactics. Looking forward to running BB/Tiberion in Morghoul games. I was just happy that we could run Tiberion 14" up the board on turn one...